The "cheese" knowledge base

[FlawLeSs]

cheese to me is simple

anything you dont see on sundays

[Saluki]

Good stuff fellas, what about looping DE's? Unnacceptable? Can guys play as a DE as long as they aren't looping them around, or do you frown upon it totally?

Since no one else really gave any incite....

This is something that depends on the AI, the CPU AI just couldn't sdjust to a looping DE in 09, in '10 it's supposed to be fixed but we don't know because we haven't played it. Thats one you'll have to wait and see on.

[Archer]

I think you are misunderstanding what I said. I don't mean to have my RB's go mashing into LB's or DL every play. But instead have the defense adjust to having two RB's on the field. Westbrooks is injury prone but that isn't from him blocking. There has been plenty of quick running backs in the game that didn't get injuried. I think what you are saying is hey if it doesn't make since then don't try it. Well that is why you do give it a shot. The Dolphins brought out the wildcat last year now there are several teams in the league loading up their rosters to run that kind of offense.

I will also disagree with you on the Peterson flourshing because of a full back. Let's both of us be honest. All he needs is to get to the outside and you don't need a FB for him to do that. Just someone willing to bump defenders off their route to him(Hines Ward comes to mind). A blown blocking assignment is just that. Tony Richardson is someone that doesn't miss his man however if that lineman does lock up his defender then that FB lead blocking doesn't mean anything.

And not 1 time did I say anything about putting my quickest RB at the FB position. I am not sure where that is coming from. And about the madden comment. I don't get ideals from playing a game. I study sports(well basketball,football) like it was my job. If it wasn't for ideals like what I am talking about you would still be watching people play in leather helmets and everyone squaring up in the 4 point stance.

AP can and has done well without Richardson but is it no coincedence that nearly every Runningback who has had Richardson at FB has made the pro bowl? I dont think so at all . If the FB gets pancaked then thats the run play blow up 9/10 . Taylor would get pancaked quite often at full back I would imagine which would kill the run

I thought you said fastest Runningback at Full back , if you didnt then my bad.

And I said Westbrook is injury prone as it is .... imagine putting at full back where he is getting pancaked and squashed every run play . He would last 2-3 games max out there. The Wildcat is nothing like putting a runningback at full back , for a start the wildcard is spread out with the o-line quit often over-loaded at one side , like when the Fins move Long over to provide an overload on one side for run plays . You arent asking Ricky Williams to go out there and lead block in the wildcat , most of the time hes either running the ball , faking a hand off or running a route . In the Wildcat there is nobody from the backfeild lead blocking

And also while we talk about the Wildcat , the stats show that it got LESS effective as the season went on , look how effective it was v Baltimore . Like most new things the more and more you use it the less effective it will be

Your idea of putting a rb at fb could only be used for passing downs or as a suprise IMO

Unless you have some kind of freak guy like Laron McClain who can play Full Back and Runningback because of his redicolous size

[RKO BLACK RKO]

All said basically

[Fox1994]

Mr Sanman has some good points. Back in the day both backs were basically todays halfbacks, but one would block more and one would run more. In fact, the fullback generally ran more. Like when Jim Brown had Bobby Mitchell and Leroy Kelly. Kelly and Mitchell were smaller guys, but they had to block when Jim got the ball... and vice versa.

Having two runningbacks [differentiating from fullbacks] wouldn't put you at a major disadvantage, it just depends on how you line up. Look at the Wishbone or the Flexbone or the Wing T. It's not just one guy blocking in those schemes. Each back plays a part.

I think this sort of innovative thinking is acceptable in Madden, but some things shouldn't be done. No-huddling after an incompletion before two minute warning... QB sneaks down the field... repetitive direct snaps... looping DEs... rocket catching... most of the stuff you see on Madden Nation...

[Fox1994]

Back in the day the linebacker and lineman weren't as physically imposing as they are today.

Granted, but misdirection and trickery (which used to be the norm in the NFL) kept the 'playing field' equal then and it can do it now. Linemen and linebackers have always been bigger than runningbacks. You just can't run up the middle all the time...

It's like when I play APF 2K8 with my "All-Browns" team with Leroy Kelly and a homemade Jim Brown, they both run and they both block... (Bobby Mitchell occasionally gets some runs, too, on end-arounds from the tight-end spot on Jumbo formations)

Of course, that's on a video game, but my point is that you don't just run straight into the linebackers and whatnot with your backs... I don't even play I-Form with that team, I use near and far and split so as to create opportunities by way of misdirection.

Watch videos of Wing-T offenses in high school. I'm telling you, this stuff can work.

Also, if MJD can demolish Lights Out, I just don't think it's as big a deal that linemen and linebackers are bigger.

Check these out (the former may be more important than the latter):

http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2009/07/nfl-offense-what-is-it-why-does-every.html

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/pro-football/332446-nfl-offense-what-why-does-every-team-use.html

Back to the topic, would you consider it cheese if I ran a Wildcat-only offense or a split back O with two HBs instead of a HB and a FB? Sincerely curious...

[Archer]

lol I honestly dont think Shawne saw MO JO`s on that play . It was like he snook up under neath him haha

Anyways good debate/discussion between me and sanman before

[Fox1994]

I still wanna know... if I ran a strictly Wildcat O or a Split-Backs set with two runningback sets would y'all consider it cheese or innovation?

[Archer]

I still wanna know... if I ran a strictly Wildcat O or a Split-Backs set with two runningback sets would y'all consider it cheese or innovation?

Personally I would enjoy finding a way to shut it down

And if that failed I would enjoy trying to find more ways of shutting it down

Unless of course it was an all out glitch that was common knowledge.

[Fox1994]

Cool. I might have to try that, then. Can't wait 'till I get my hands on '10. It's gonna be (better be) killer.

[Fox1994]

Right, right. I gotta get the online hooked-up. O.o lol.

[staylor0wnzu]

on D where guys can be lined up,

[Fox1994]

^? How were you going to finish that sentence?

[MmmmBeeeeer]

I still wanna know... if I ran a strictly Wildcat O or a Split-Backs set with two runningback sets would y'all consider it cheese or innovation?

If it worked I would come on here and call it cheese and bitch about it ;)

[MmmmBeeeeer]

LOL.. The crazy part about your statement is you can bet money that someone is going to do just that. I read the NBA 2k forums and some folks complain about pump faking and call it a exploit. Which just blows my mind.