Official "Bad Game" Thread

[MmmmBeeeeer]

Dave: Don't stop doing your power rankings because one drunken idiot cares way too much about where he's ranked. People really enjoy your rankings every week.

Houtz: I agree of some of what you're saying, but I have to correct you on one thing. Izzy gets a lot of shit around here, but he has 100x most respect than you do. Just because you're a mod doesn't mean that you can be an ignorant asshole.

Herm: What's the problem with pulling guys off the line on punt returns? In the NFL there are sometimes two or three guys down field on punt returns, that isn't an option in this game. I have no problem if someone wants to pull a guy off the line for additional blocking. That's just a smart move, IMO.

Some of the guidelines are necessary, but others are just restrictive. To be honest, I'm having a hard time playing games against VSN'ers because the games are so boring. I feel like there's no strategy in the game as everyone plays the exact same way. Offense - 40 percent run; 60 percent pass. Most guys run 70 percent off-tackle plays. Most passes are to the TE and RB. Defense - All zone all game (mostly because bump and run is "frowned upon") while mixing in a few zone blitzes every now and then. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You nailed that one :beer:

[Realist]

Seriously, why is matching up formations even an issue at all anymore?? This was a guideline put into place during Madden 03 (2003!!!) because cornerbacks basically played like defensive linemen with more speed and linebackers and linemen somehow kept up with wide receivers. This isn't the case any longer. If I come out in a 2 TE set and my opponent is in dime, he is going to get steamrolled. Likewise, if I come out in a 4 WR set and my opponent is in 4-6, there are going to be mismatches all across the field.

thats just my defensive scheme. a rule i use. ive been pretty successful with it. i dont expect anyone else to do it.

[mcstl25]

thats just my defensive scheme. a rule i use. ive been pretty successful with it. i dont expect anyone else to do it.

Gotcha. However, my post wasn't necessarily direct at you, it was more directed at the VSN guidelines that state that you should match-up on defense.

[Realist]

Gotcha. However, my post wasn't necessarily direct at you, it was more directed at the VSN guidelines that state that you should match-up on defense.

Cool, not a problem. we need to get a classin Rams vs 49ers game soon

[mobbdeep1122]

I cleaned up the guidelines a little bit. Took some stuff out that's pretty outdated. If you have any other suggestions, let me know.

[Herm]

Dave: Don't stop doing your power rankings because one drunken idiot cares way too much about where he's ranked. People really enjoy your rankings every week.
Agreed


Herm: What's the problem with pulling guys off the line on punt returns? In the NFL there are sometimes two or three guys down field on punt returns, that isn't an option in this game. I have no problem if someone wants to pull a guy off the line for additional blocking. That's just a smart move, IMO.
The same reason as last year, you already have two blockers on each gunner. Its overkill to have anyone else downfield. Kick returns are the easiest touchdown on the game. Its very rare for a person to receive the ball without blockers covering all the men within a 5 yard vicinity of the returner. There is a guideline prohibiting this so why should i have to defend my self here? Its a tactic that 99% of East Roomers employ but only 1% of VSN/MM guys ive played. That should tell you enough right there.

I'll make a point to watch for this in the titans vs browns game tonight. If I see multiple people down the field on punt returns over one time ill quit complaining about it.

Seriously, why is matching up formations even an issue at all anymore?? This was a guideline put into place during Madden 03 (2003!!!) because cornerbacks basically played like defensive linemen with more speed and linebackers and linemen somehow kept up with wide receivers. This isn't the case any longer. If I come out in a 2 TE set and my opponent is in dime, he is going to get steamrolled. Likewise, if I come out in a 4 WR set and my opponent is in 4-6, there are going to be mismatches all across the field.

i have played plenty of people this year that completely shut down my running game and they called nickel, dime and dollar game long. Cbs STILL tackle like LBs. I cant tell you how many times ive ran a play outside with only a CB left to beat and im thinking theres no way this isnt a touchdown and CBs drag down even big RBs like Michael Turner routinely.

Lbs still stay step for step with WRS who can be up to 15-20 speed points higher than them. Im playing Houtz in our league game and I throw a streak to Matt Jones 25 yards down field Philip Merling WHO IS A DEFENSIVE END stays with him the whole way and picks the pass off. Merling is 72 speed and Jones is 89, 25 yards down the field there should be separation. Im sure it was a zone blitz why Merling was playing so far out, but he shouldnt be able to run stride for stride with a WR.

[dave]

Dave: Don't stop doing your power rankings because one drunken idiot cares way too much about where he's ranked. People really enjoy your rankings every week.
OK. But I will no longer include OOBL.
VSN can't ban people, so I will ban him from my power rankings.
Think of him as an *

Some of the guidelines are necessary, but others are just restrictive. To be honest, I'm having a hard time playing games against VSN'ers because the games are so boring. I feel like there's no strategy in the game as everyone plays the exact same way. Offense - 40 percent run; 60 percent pass. Most guys run 70 percent off-tackle plays. Most passes are to the TE and RB. Defense - All zone all game (mostly because bump and run is "frowned upon") while mixing in a few zone blitzes every now and then. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Agree 110%.
When guys play my D, they say it's weird, because they never see that kind of play.
Same as NWSaint. When I play him, it's so different than playing anyone else.

See above.

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

Yea, take me out your ranking, Houtz, take me off the tracker, take me out of TGT, 2-2-0, Im done with this shit. If Dave wants to bitch and exclude me from his power rankings even tho Im clearly deserving in them. Houtz you want to complain just because I do exactly what Realist just said, I do tend to use extra CB's if I have a feeling your tossing, running outside, or passing. Its gut instinct, and holy shit...I WAS RIGHT almost every time. Am I cheese because I can know what your about to do? Seriously I would rather play cheesers, at least they dont bitch and try and say how shitty of a person I am. Seriously man you got the MM bullshit Nazi leader bullshit running way too strong and I thought we were "friends" or cool with eachother to say the least.

[steeljake]

OOBL the reason no one likes you right now is cuz the number one rule in sim ball is too respect your oppenent. most of us are grown men with families and jobs and when we get an hour or two to do what we want we dont want to play against someone who is being an ass. your game isnt what one would call strictly sim in the first place and add to that some alcohol and you get called out.

back on the topic of bad games...

CLW is a bum, the fucker quit on me in the 3rd quarter. he got up on me 13-0 in the first 3 minutes of the game but i stayed cool and got back into it and was up 14-13 at the half. he threw two picks and blew a coverage on a play action and i am up 28-13, the next time he throws a pick... bam! connection lost. nothing said on aim or in a psn message and he was still logged in.

[steeljake]

Yea, take me out your ranking, Houtz, take me off the tracker, take me out of TGT, 2-2-0, Im done with this shit. If Dave wants to bitch and exclude me from his power rankings even tho Im clearly deserving in them. Houtz you want to complain just because I do exactly what Realist just said, I do tend to use extra CB's if I have a feeling your tossing, running outside, or passing. Its gut instinct, and holy shit...I WAS RIGHT almost every time. Am I cheese because I can know what your about to do? Seriously I would rather play cheesers, at least they dont bitch and try and say how shitty of a person I am. Seriously man you got the MM bullshit Nazi leader bullshit running way too strong and I thought we were "friends" or cool with eachother to say the least.

man you should quit this shit if you take it so seriuosly, only tourney ballers act like you do.

[PP]

I dont VSN for like 2 days and i come back to this. I love this place <3

[steeljake]

I dont VSN for like 2 days and i come back to this. I love this place <3

that was nice that you were gone for 2 days... can we try 2 weeks next time please?

[Poundtherock]

This fcking thread is hilarious! Thread of the month!!! :fencing:

[mcstl25]

What are you talking about? Everyone respects Izzy. He's a legend around here. If I'm being a "prick" then 9/10 I'm joking around. Nothing I said about Izzy was meant to hurt his feelings. Izzy is one of the greats and always will be.

All good man. It just seemed to me like Izzy was trying to express his opinion and you were having none of it.

I know that I've complained a lot lately about the guidelines, but haven't been very specific about exactly what I'm whining and complaining about. Thanks Mobb for looking over the guidelines and cleaning some things up. I'll take a look and see if I have any additional feedback for you all.

[Poundtherock]

All good man. It just seemed to me like Izzy was trying to express his opinion and you were having none of it.

I know that I've complained a lot lately about the guidelines, but haven't been very specific about exactly what I'm whining and complaining about. Thanks Mobb for looking over the guidelines and cleaning some things up. I'll take a look and see if I have any additional feedback for you all.

I took the old guides and re-structured them and MrBill changed what he saw fit to do for 2-2-0. Take a look at THEM, Mcstl, and see what you would or would not change. Love to have your respected opinion. We have been in need of an update for a long time...no disrespect intended, but they were/are old. I didn't change some that needed to be b/c I felt the community should speak...but I do think that some included even in the 2-2-0 could stand a little bit more re-vamping or bringing up-to-date.