I Hate Madden Nation

[AJay]

One more thing ... -Why is the most successful online Madden league a freestyle league, and not a "sim" one? ...

What is the most successful online Madden league? I'm part of a SIM league that has been running since Madden 07 and it has been very successful with 25 core group of guys for over a year.

I can see your side of the coin KOACHK and don't mind playing freestyle games but I like playing sim much better. It's all a matter of opinon and to say sim is better than freestyle or freestyle is better than sim is just your opinon.

[MvP]

Most of you guys are missing the point. The reason why HB at FB, WR at RB and stuff like that is cheese is because the game doesn't handle it properly at all.

A receiver like Coles would get completely owned in real life if he was rushing up the middle, but Madden can't represent real life like that so it's an exploit of the game.

Same with the FB Dive, the play itself is way too overpowered with the only way to consistently stop it is to have like 6+ players lined up in the middle waiting to destroy the center. With the HB in there, he will be be gaining yards a lot faster than a FB so the play is practically unstoppable unless he fumbles or you play the most cheesiest D imaginable.

Also, plays like Rocket Curls are tough to stop because the defender falls for it every time. Until EA puts a feature in that lets the defense react better once they see the same play ran over and over, this will be an exploit.

So in my opinion, "sim" is more "playing the game where nothing can be exploited" than "playing like they do on Sundays".

[kmanharris]

Let's be real here .... People who fly the "Sim" flag want to play the softball version of Madden -that's their prerogative; but there are some "Simmers" that will go as far to say idiotic things such as "All Freestyle/Tourney players must die!" -It's like they're mad at the fact we are having fun playing the game.

Let's be real here. The only thing that Koachk wants to hear is someone that agrees with him. Both have pros and cons but to say that people who play sim want to play the softball version of Madden is just ignorant. I can say the same thing about freestyle players because they don't want to play the game by rules they just want to do whatever they want.

[AJay]

Let's be real here. The only thing that Koachk wants to hear is someone that agrees with him. Both have pros and cons but to say that people who play sim want to play the softball version of Madden is just ignorant. I can say the same thing about freestyle players because they don't want to play the game by rules they just want to do whatever they want.

Sim players want to play softball
Freestyle players want to play XFL or "Slamball' (Remember the basketball game with the trampolines?)

[kmanharris]

Rocket catching is just another form of user catching; you call the right coverage and put some pressure on the QB, it can be stopped. -And if you're tyring to say it's a clearly defined glitch in the game; then you're way off because it hasn't been banned in tourneys.

To be honest with you, the best tourney ballers have very basic schemes that don't rely on exploits at all. People that solely rely on exploits get stopped and don't make it very far.

Look at the games in Madden Nation ... -Do those games really look that much different than what you see on Sunday? .... Take the Sim-Goggles off and really take a look ....

Yes they do look completely different. When do you see Chad Johnson sent in motion repeatedly and runs on a streak 5-10 times a game? How about the quarterback calling hike and then running out of the pocket right away? Do you see that on Sunday? No you don't.

[kmanharris]

Sim players want to play softball
Freestyle players want to play XFL or "Slamball' (Remember the basketball game with the trampolines?)

Sim players want to play football

I do agree with you about freestyle players and slamball was sick lol

[AJay]

www.EAFLmadden.com -Go see for yourself AJay.

By no means am I trying to impose freestyle/tournament play on anyone that doesn't want to play that way; but "sim" by it's very nature is an imposing play-style. On top of that; how can the "sim" philosopy be defended when it's not even clearly defined?

How can you say that the most successful league is a freestlye one when it's your league? Of course your gonna say that because your gonna be bias towards your league.

What makes EAFL more successful the the sim league I've been a part of since 07?

No knock on you guys. I am actually gonna check it out because I know how hard it is to find a decent league with a core group of guys.

I'm not gonna argue the sim/freestyle debate because it is all a matter of opinon. And I think MvP's post above stated it best.

[Archer]

Eafl is the most well known league out there and probably the most succesful its a GREAT league , i myself was part of it not to long ago and id reccomend it to anyone ....the dude won his division and has beaten some ppl who are supposed to be good so he was hardly a BUM lol.... clearly others cudnt stop it either . Eafl is a great league and clearly amazingly well ran thats why its the most succesful not because its freestyle and not sim , more because u have a dedicated base and commishes who work non stop to improve things (radio shows etc etc etc....)

However i will say theres alot of differnce between eafl players and most of the scrubs u find in east lobby so there is a difference between lg freestyle games and lobby games

[AJay]

In no way was I saying that EAFL isn't succesful. My point was that he claimed that a freestyle league is the most successful one out there. I wanna know what makes EAFL more successful then the sim league I am in?

[Archer]

Because most people who know madden leagues have heard and know about the EAFL

[Archer]

I agree with everything droopy sed

And HaleYes like i sed before majority of eafl players are NOTHING like lobby ballars for me id urge u to play some of them before u go out there and label them all like that .

[raczilla]

Going to play devils advocate and stir the pot around the league element of this discussion.

http://220league.com/

Started on Madden 2003 and still running strong with some of the core sim community guys. First ever league to use Leaguedaddy to track stats (Powers Madden league actually started right around the same time so it's debatable). Has often had a crazy long waiting list and the level of competition is up there in terms of sim community guys (whether sim guys can run with tourney guys is a different argument heh).

Full Disclosure: I co-founded this league over 5 years ago so I'm bragging as much as anything else. Although I haven't run the league since Madden 2004, I'm proud of how it's been able to sustain itself.


Anyway, the point being that I'm not sure you can look at this debate and say connect the dots to either one of these two groups as being more dedicated and competitive than the other. The reason there is a debate in the first place is because both groups are passionate about their specific brand of Madden NFL Football

[Archer]

Lets not get into arguing whos the better league lol , we can all argue one way or another ...... EAFL has to be the most well known league out there but whos to say that means its the best league ......id say EAFL and GGML are the best leagues iv been apart off but for very different reasons .

[Saluki]

I agree with everything droopy sed

And HaleYes like i sed before majority of eafl players are NOTHING like lobby ballars for me id urge u to play some of them before u go out there and label them all like that .

Just like i would encourage coach K to play some of the better sim ballers before he goes and labels them all players looking to make madden "easy". Some guys prefer to play freestyle, some prefer sim, doesn't make one better than another regardless of what anyone says.

[raczilla]

Lets not get into arguing whos the better league lol

That wasn't the point (or even suggested). The point was that the league element of this discussion is moot because there are a number of examples of well established and dedicated leagues across all sorts of styles of Madden play. It doesn't help make the case of tourney baller vs. sim baller or vice versa.