I'm actually starting to really hate Madden.......

**dave** · 09-16-2010, 09:37 PM

No feedback on your post.
I'd just like an online game and video treatment.

**Realist** · 09-16-2010, 10:10 PM

I know you aren't bashing me but i do want to make a few comments

1) I'm sure you recorded the game, the KO's weren't that deep. If I'm not mistaken both were at or around the goalline. It's not like I was taking them out from deep in the endzone.

2) While I do think KR/PR are a little too easy, I dont think they are unstoppable. I stopped Moss and Hall pretty easily on KR/PR and when I played Zeus yesterday I contained Jacoby Ford.

3) With that said, can I get SOME credit, I mean I read the holes pretty well and just hit them.

4) The returns didn't determine the outcome of the game :D

**Tailback U** · 09-16-2010, 10:37 PM

I haven't had any problem with KR/PR. I play with Oakland in 99% of my games with Higgins or Ford returning kicks/punts and I think I've returned maybe 1 or 2 all year.

I've had a couple returned on me but nothing out of the ordinary.

Honestly, least of my concerns. I really don't have all that much to complain about when it comes to the game. I like it but there's nothing amazing about it.

But yes, I can't wait for COD.

**x0xHumblex0x** · 09-16-2010, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Realist

I know you aren't bashing me but i do want to make a few comments

1) I'm sure you recorded the game, the KO's weren't that deep. If I'm not mistaken both were at or around the goalline. It's not like I was taking them out from deep in the endzone.

2) While I do think KR/PR are a little too easy, I dont think they are unstoppable. I stopped Moss and Hall pretty easily on KR/PR and when I played Zeus yesterday I contained Jacoby Ford.

3) With that said, can I get SOME credit, I mean I read the holes pretty well and just hit them.

4) The returns didn't determine the outcome of the game :D

like i said Bro, this has nothing to do with you.......
this is overall with any games played on this year's Madden....

1) ok - so they were at the 1 yard line - 99 yard return..not much of a difference. not only that - even if it were in the back of the endzone, it only gets shown as a 99 yard return for some reason...perhaps another bug in the game?? :doh:

2) not saying they are not stoppable but it is pretty much a certainty that one team will get a TD on a KoR or Punt......

3) like i said - i dont consider pushing up, making a quick left or right and back up the sideline a "good return". the holes are HUGE, they open up before you get to the hole....its not hard to read that.. lol; my 10 year old can see and do it.......

4) but it does make a difference, in any game played. its changes the flow of the game, chance of comebacks, gameplan/strategy, etc....
in our game, i kick a FG, 17-3. if you recall, i squib kicked it in the beginning to Ginn.....after the FG, i said to myself, "let me see how often the BS is...." i kicked to Ginn intentionally (both times after) and it happened.....TD!!!!.......Untouched!!!
i gave up.....
i even MSGd you after the 2nd BS TD on the KoR about it........"Total BS"....

in other words, when i start seeing dumb AI and stupid flaws in this game, i lose interest PDQ........

again - this aint about you bro.......
in almost every Video i made, there was a TD on KoR or Punt.......they all had the same HUGE hole that anybody could see........go to the "Video Reels" and check them out.......its stupid.

also; i have had my share TDs on KoRs and Punts as well.....so; trust me all but 1, maybe 2, were deserved.
its so ridiculously obvious, i almost want to run outta bounds out of commen courtesy......

really....its one part of the game that is broke and everyone knows it.....
EA wants to get there patch out to fix this BS but most will be playing NBA or CoD by the time they fix this shit......

but oh well ...........

sidenote: some videos of some Hella Holes and maybe 1 legit return.....

BS TDs:

http://www.vsndaily.com/showthread.php?t=63291

http://www.vsndaily.com/showthread.php?t=63287

http://www.vsndaily.com/showpost.php?p=1276327&postcount=124

Lol; this was on a Squib Kick.....NOT!!!!

http://www.vsndaily.com/showthread.php?t=62691

the 1st PR for TD was broken tackle BS;
2nd TD on Punt maybe legit:

http://www.vsndaily.com/showthread.php?t=62686

**dave** · 09-16-2010, 10:59 PM

Sudden shifts in direction fuck up the AI.
If you get the shift right, you're off to the races.
This is a game issue and has nothing to do with user talent.

**x0xHumblex0x** · 09-16-2010, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by dave

Sudden shifts in direction fuck up the AI.
If you get the shift right, you're off to the races.
This is a game issue and has nothing to do with user talent.

maybe i need to get on the 360 for awhile and see if the are any differences at all or whatever.....

plus; i need some 10min Qtr game(s).....maybe get some NBA scores :D

**BigBucs** · 09-16-2010, 11:12 PM

Kick up the middle. Kicking to either of the boundaries is asking for a KO to be taken back. On punts kick up the middle or out of bounds.

**Steel Mamba** · 09-16-2010, 11:13 PM

Cod is the Madden of shooting games, but that's another topic.

The problem with Madden is the Madden community. Of course they have a lot of casual gamers, that's fine and to be expected. But, if you go to some of the "sim" forums a lot of those guys ask for cheese. Like more frequent KR's, or easier offense. That or they're more concerned about socks and hand towels than actual gameplay. EA is just catering to their audience.

**x0xHumblex0x** · 09-16-2010, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by BigBucs

Kick up the middle. Kicking to either of the boundaries is asking for a KO to be taken back. On punts kick up the middle or out of bounds.

punting to the middle didnt really work in this game playa but i give you refresher :D

the 1st PR for TD was broken tackle BS;
2nd TD on Punt maybe legit:

http://www.vsndaily.com/showthread.php?t=62686

**BigBucs** · 09-16-2010, 11:19 PM

Yea. Think thats the only game someone returned a punt on me let alone 2.

**x0xHumblex0x** · 09-16-2010, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Steel Mamba

Cod is the Madden of shooting games, but that's another topic.
The problem with Madden is the Madden community. Of course they have a lot of casual gamers, that's fine and to be expected. But, if you go to some of the "sim" forums a lot of those guys ask for cheese. Like more frequent KR's, or easier offense. That or they're more concerned about socks and hand towels than actual gameplay. EA is just catering to their audience.

lol; that may be accurate but it is another topic for sure :D

they didnt specifically ask for cheese, they wanted 8-12 years olds to be able to play with more hardcore gamers.....ones that have been playing since 93.....
EA certainly was catering for sure......$$$$

**killgod** · 09-16-2010, 11:27 PM

what worse is that next year they'll have a new franchise mode (which will lack in half the features you'll expect, tho they won't say anything and cover it up till release), then adembroski will jizz all over OS about it and it'll sell 12 bajillion copies.

we're forever doomed.

**x0xHumblex0x** · 09-16-2010, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by xxxHumblexxx

punting to the middle didnt really work in this game playa but i give you refresher :D

the 1st PR for TD was broken tackle BS;
2nd TD on Punt maybe legit:
http://www.vsndaily.com/showthread.php?t=62686

Originally posted by BigBucs

Yea. Think thats the only game someone returned a punt on me let alone 2.

yupper......
and like i says......1st TD was BS broken tackles - i even know that

2nd maybe...well, pretty much legit....since, i had to actually make 4 moves to get out to the open......

but looking at the other Vids (thats linked above), them holes were stupid.....

**Prodigal Son** · 09-17-2010, 12:09 AM

It might help your punt coverage if you put the arrow all the way up. This way you don't out kick your coverage. With Andy Lee, my guys usually end up within 5 yards of the returner when he catches the punt.

I'm actually starting to really hate Madden.......

I'm actually starting to really hate Madden.......

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