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  • padman59
    Slayer of Demons
    • Mar 2009
    • 5709

    #16
    Originally posted by Twigg4075
    Since you watched that whole thing can you give the cliffs notes? I only watched the first 15 minutes and don't have time to watch the rest.
    I'll try my best to hit on the more salient topics.

    A decent chunk of the talk was describing the key differences between the 360 and PS3 hardware, and how they went about making both versions as efficient as possible. I'll try to break that down as accurately as possible:

    -360 is easier to program on mainly due to how its memory is set up
    -PS3 memory is partitioned into two different areas (one strictly for CPU processing and the other for graphics) which makes it more difficult to organize caches
    -due to the previous bullet, they had to tweak their rendering methods for the PS3
    -both consoles' capabilities are maxed out in the game

    There was also some concerns about how much to install on the consoles and how they compressed the game on the discs. Something interesting that he mentioned was that it could take up to eight full DVDs for the 360 version without compression (so I'm interested to see how many discs are actually included now to see how well the game is compressed). He also mentioned that Bethesda was in talks with Sony to allow an increased installation size for the PS3 version to make loading textures faster. On the topic of the 22 GB install for the 360, he mentioned that he would have liked to reduce the burden of it, but the performance benefits are worth it. Due to this, he believes the 360 version will be better performing of the two consoles.

    As for the PC version of the game, he intends to work on the game until the last possible second before submitting it to digital distributors to get the most out of the development.

    He also went on to describe some interesting things he'd like to experiment with in future projects like completely filling a dual-layer blu ray with lesser compressed data for PS3 (however he did mention a potential drawback due to blu ray data transfer rates IIRC).

    He says that PC hardware is up to 10x as powerful as the consoles. However, drivers hamper the ability to get the most of the hardware, and it makes the programming for PC harder than on the console counterparts. He went on to say that he feels that Intel's integrated graphics are getting to the point where the might be able to compete with dedicated GPUs.

    About the last half of his talk was about programming in general, and how he's tried to make writing coding more efficient for his team. There were also a lot of tidbits throughout that reveal the complexity of programming games on consoles.

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    • padman59
      Slayer of Demons
      • Mar 2009
      • 5709

      #17
      Bethesda is putting a new twist to the online pass. Buy Rage new, or have side missions locked and inaccessible in the SP (until you pay the $10).

      Postapocalyptic shooter will discourage used game sales by curtailing single-player content; creative director Tim Willits calls himself a "big proponent" of always-online DRM.

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      • Twigg4075
        Kindergarten Cop
        • Feb 2009
        • 20056

        #18
        If iD is saying that the 360 version is better (which is what I gathered from Pad's synopsis), even with multiple discs I pay have to go with that version. Unless the difference is minor.

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        • Buzzman
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 6659

          #19
          I'd rather they continue to do that rather than the gay online code shooters take. Online is literally half the game sometimes as is online with Madden. At least with Rage, what they take out is just a tiny percentage of the game. Cant fault gamers for wanting to save money. I personally don't ever have a problem as I buy my games new, but there are tons of people who are just broke.

          Edit: Im also going with the PS3, no fucking way am I buying a game with 3 god damn discs.

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          • jms493
            Junior Member
            • Feb 2009
            • 11248

            #20
            does this game have online coop?

            edit....yes it does!

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            • padman59
              Slayer of Demons
              • Mar 2009
              • 5709

              #21
              Originally posted by Twigg4075
              If iD is saying that the 360 version is better (which is what I gathered from Pad's synopsis), even with multiple discs I pay have to go with that version. Unless the difference is minor.
              No idea how much the difference is, but Carmack was clear that he thought the 22 GB of data installed for the 360 version helped a lot with performance.

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              • Twigg4075
                Kindergarten Cop
                • Feb 2009
                • 20056

                #22
                Originally posted by jms493
                does this game have online coop?

                edit....yes it does!
                IIRC they are one off missions that are separate from the campaign though.
                Originally posted by padman59
                No idea how much the difference is, but Carmack was clear that he thought the 22 GB of data installed for the 360 version helped a lot with performance.
                So why can't you install on the PS3?

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                • padman59
                  Slayer of Demons
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 5709

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Twigg4075
                  IIRC they are one off missions that are separate from the campaign though.


                  So why can't you install on the PS3?
                  Apparently Sony puts a limit on the installation size. I'm curious why there is a limit TBH.

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                  • JBregz
                    Follow me! @JBregzz
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 3837

                    #24
                    Heard about this game for awhile now, But I finally decided to watch some game play and it looks really good.

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                    • Twigg4075
                      Kindergarten Cop
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 20056

                      #25
                      Originally posted by padman59
                      Apparently Sony puts a limit on the installation size. I'm curious why there is a limit TBH.
                      That is weird. I'm surprised they weren't willing to "adjust" that rule for a company like iD.

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                      • padman59
                        Slayer of Demons
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 5709

                        #26
                        A little update on discs and installation:

                        -360 version has three discs (2 SP, 1 MP), and installing is recommended (even if you have to install the first disc and later delete it to install the second)
                        -id was granted a larger install size (8GB) from Sony

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                        • Minne
                          Go Hawks
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 339

                          #27
                          crazy. 3 discs. but the game looks super cool though.

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                          • Twigg4075
                            Kindergarten Cop
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 20056

                            #28
                            Originally posted by padman59
                            A little update on discs and installation:

                            -360 version has three discs (2 SP, 1 MP), and installing is recommended (even if you have to install the first disc and later delete it to install the second)
                            -id was granted a larger install size (8GB) from Sonyhttp://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/119/1196507p1.html
                            Sweet. I was leaning towards the PS3 version but this solidifies it.

                            Plus I thought that I read that if you instal the 360 version it's something like 16GB?!?

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                            • SethMode
                              Master of Mysticism
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 5754

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Twigg4075
                              Sweet. I was leaning towards the PS3 version but this solidifies it.

                              Plus I thought that I read that if you instal the 360 version it's something like 16GB?!?
                              Per disc? Or 8 per disc? The latter wouldn't bother me too much (hell the former wouldn't either because I have that much space), but the former would seem a little crazy. I think 8 per disc wouldn't be that crazy for the SP.

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                              • Twigg4075
                                Kindergarten Cop
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 20056

                                #30
                                Originally posted by SethMode
                                Per disc? Or 8 per disc? The latter wouldn't bother me too much (hell the former wouldn't either because I have that much space), but the former would seem a little crazy. I think 8 per disc wouldn't be that crazy for the SP.
                                Actually, I stand corrected. It's a 22GB download on the 360. Unreal.

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                                So, three discs AND a 22GB optional install to get maximum performance. Plus, based on the article it seems as though iD now thinks that the PS3 version is superior thanks to Sony ammending it's maximum install policy.

                                If you have both consoles it seems like a no brainer to me.

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