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  • Primetime
    Thank You Prince
    • Nov 2008
    • 17526

    Primetime's Review: MLB 2K9 Gameplay

    Let’s just be brutally honest, MLB 2K8 was a disaster. Taking a big step down from the previous year’s version, a consumer would assume that maybe, just maybe, 2K Sports would come back with a game a majority of baseball fans would love. Unfortunately, our assumptions of MLB 2K9 were completely false. Before we get too into detail with the numerous problems with the game, let us look at a few of the positive additions.

    To start, it seems as though 2K Sports took some time to hear what the community had to say. Although some of the most pressing issues were left out, they did add many improvements from the disaster they presented to customers last year. Among the improvements are hitting foul balls and an array of diversity in the hitting game. It seems as though every at bat has a foul ball here and there and that is much more realistic than previous editions of the game. Last year, Jose Reyes could have broken the single-season home-run record set by Barry Bonds a few seasons ago. If the ball was not crushed out of the park, it was a gap shot. It seemed as though every line drive for a hit was straight up the middle. In this year’s version, the line drive finally has the ability to get through the gap between the corner infielders and the middle infielders. Although there seems to be a home run problem still, it has been scaled down from 2K8. Finally 2K Sports has given us the ability to hit a grounder through the infield and a single over the middle infielder to the outfield which has been a rare occurrence in the past.

    This was the year that the 2K series could break through and deliver a great game for users to love and play consistently. Regrettably, its game play is overshadowed by all the simple mishaps. The bigger of the mishaps include ridiculous errors, very unrealistic computer aggressiveness, and disgusting artificial intelligence. Now these issues could be disregarded in many ways if it happened every now and then but that is just not the case. These are concerns that are occurring every single game, and often happen several times throughout the game.

    I understand that errors are a part of baseball, but the way these errors are dealt with is beyond ludicrous. If you have played even a single game in the demo released earlier this week, you’ve probably been introduced to a pop-up the fielder is standing under and the ball pops out of the glove like it has never been used. Remember playing catch with that brand new glove and it seemed as if you could never squeeze tight enough for the ball to stick in it? That is the best example of what happens when a fly ball is hit. The fielder will run in what seems like slow-motion to the ball and even if he finally gets under it, the result often results in an error. Something I didn’t notice as much in the demo was the fielder’s detection of the ball coming. On a couple occasions, a slow ground ball that wasn’t directly hit to the field ended up either go right between his legs once he got in front of it, or was simply let right through the infield.

    Perhaps the most annoying part of MLB 2K9 is the aggressiveness of the AI. In the many games I’ve played in the demo and the actual released game, both the computer hitter and pitcher were horribly aggressive. When pitching, it is a rare happening to watch the hitter watch a called strike go by. Although I haven’t done any calculations, I’m willing to bet at least 90-95% of balls thrown in the strike zone were swung at. Although this aggressiveness speeds up the game for those who like to get through a game at the highest pace, it really takes away from any realism possible. In reality, it is a pitchers dream to have a three-pitch inning. In MLB 2K9, it is almost the norm. The hitting aggressiveness leads to unrealistic pitch counts and easy innings. Pitching to the computer is like facing Alfonso Soriano 30+ times per game.

    On the opposite side of the ball, I am a very patient hitter at the plate. Similar to most players in Major League Baseball, the first strike is often not the best pitch I want to hit. In this game, I have drawn roughly two walks per game. That’s not bad right? Wrong. About 80% of the walks drawn have come from a superstar at the plate with two outs and the pitcher intentionally walks the hitter to get to the less dangerous on-deck hitter. Again, this causes very low pitch counts and the uselessness of using a middle reliever. In one instance, Jason worth came up to the plate with a runner on second and two outs. Now I’d understand intentionally walking him if he has had a great day at the plate or the on-deck hitter had been struggling that day but this was the polar opposite. Werth had been to the plate three times, struck out twice, and grounded into a double play the other. The stupidity of the AI decided it would be a great idea to walk him to get the possibility to have force outs at first, second, and third. The next hitter up was Chase Utley, have a great day hitting. Utley was three for three with a homerun and a double with three runs batted in. My point here is even when the rare occurrence of a walk ensued, it often came at an inopportune time for the opponent.

    As stated before, the AI generously took it’s time getting to a fly ball in the gap. On some occasions, the fielder would not get there fast enough to get under the ball and it seemed as though someone pressed the fast forward button while the fielder ran faster than humanly possible to catch an approaching fly ball. The most annoying element in fielding is the fielders inability to play the ball of the wall. Whether the ball was catchable before hitting the wall or the ball just hit off the wall, the fielder looked as though he had never played baseball before. On a ball catchable before it hits the wall, the computer would attempt to jump and catch it whether it was hitting to top of the wall or the bottom corner where the wall meets the warning track. This would often result in triples for guys like Ryan Howard and Adam Dunn, and the easiest inside-the-park home runs with guys like Jose Reyes and Hanley Ramirez. If the ball hit off the wall before the fielder was able to get there, he would often mishandle the ball trying to pick it up with his bare hand. Again, this would lead to triples and homeruns when it was possible to hold them to singles and doubles. The AI’s worst aspect in MLB 2K9 could be the numerous occurrences of the first basemen decision that stepping on first base while applying a force out is forgotten. Several times during every game I played, the first basemen would simply take his foot off first base resulting hits that should have been easy outs. This was most prominent on ground balls in which the third basemen needed to charge the ball before throwing over to first.

    As a whole, if you’ve never played a virtual baseball game, it is playable. On the other hand, if you are a baseball enthusiast, you will struggle putting MLB 2K9 in your console more than once. I can honestly say I was very excited to open this game up and see what 2K Sports had to offer its customers this year and all I can do is be completely embarrassed that a product with so many prominent issues was even released. If 2K Sports wants to have a license for baseball and create an exclusive game for the XBOX 360, put some time into the game and test it. It seems as though they felt the need to design a copy and failed to put any time into testing it.

    Thoughts? Concerns? Anything I should add?
  • celtsxpatsxsox
    Redsox
    • Oct 2008
    • 3310

    #2
    I agree with you on pretty much everything. What would you grade the gameplay though? And if they patch all the issues up what do you think it would get?

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    • chazmaniandevil
      Son of Hades
      • Nov 2008
      • 5792

      #3
      lol

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      • Primetime
        Thank You Prince
        • Nov 2008
        • 17526

        #4
        On a scale from one to horrible. I'd give it a horrible.

        On a serious note, on a scale from one to ten, I'd probably give it a four. The glitches and mishaps outweigh anything that makes the game fun for me. If they fixed those issues, which I don't think they will, I'd probably give it maybe a six and a half.

        If they bring out a patch, I might rent it again to further this review but I really don't see that happening. No way I'm paying $60 for this. I'd pay $20 just to have a baseball game to play but even that's pushing it.

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        • celtsxpatsxsox
          Redsox
          • Oct 2008
          • 3310

          #5
          Originally posted by Primetime232
          On a scale from one to horrible. I'd give it a horrible.

          On a serious note, on a scale from one to ten, I'd probably give it a four. The glitches and mishaps outweigh anything that makes the game fun for me. If they fixed those issues, which I don't think they will, I'd probably give it maybe a six and a half.

          If they bring out a patch, I might rent it again to further this review but I really don't see that happening. No way I'm paying $60 for this. I'd pay $20 just to have a baseball game to play but even that's pushing it.
          well an admin on 2ksports did make a patch wish list and said there is a very good chance that most of the big issues get patched. The only thing that I havent had happened that you mentioned was the outfielders not catching the ball. The only time they didnt catch the ball for me was user error when I accidentely moved my fielder. I feel if they patch the AI agressivness and get rid of the annoying glitches then this game could be very good. I guess the reason why I am not upset with this game as much as everyone else is because this is what I expected of the game where they only had 6-8 months to make.

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          • Primetime
            Thank You Prince
            • Nov 2008
            • 17526

            #6
            Originally posted by celtsxpatsxsox
            well an admin on 2ksports did make a patch wish list and said there is a very good chance that most of the big issues get patched. The only thing that I havent had happened that you mentioned was the outfielders not catching the ball. The only time they didnt catch the ball for me was user error when I accidentally moved my fielder. I feel if they patch the AI aggressiveness and get rid of the annoying glitches then this game could be very good. I guess the reason why I am not upset with this game as much as everyone else is because this is what I expected of the game where they only had 6-8 months to make.
            My problem with a patch coming is this; How could they not know this before releasing this game? I realize they didn't have a ton of time to complete it but it seems like they simply threw out the testing phase right out the window. Outfielders and infielders have had issues catching the ball whether it was me getting under it or the computer failing to make the easy catch. It just simply embarrassing that 2K has an exclusive license for this game over EA Sports and it completely fails to meet any form of satisfaction it could. This will be just another year of people asking for updated rosters for MVP Baseball 2005, as I've already seen all over the internet.

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            • celtsxpatsxsox
              Redsox
              • Oct 2008
              • 3310

              #7
              If EA didnt get exclusive for football then 2k wouldnt of gotten exclusive for baseball. I also dont get why people want MVP to come back when they havent made a baseball game on the next gen systems yet and the guy who made MVP created the other disaster in 2k8.

              2k for baseball=EA for football- there motto is wait til next year.

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              • Primetime
                Thank You Prince
                • Nov 2008
                • 17526

                #8
                Originally posted by celtsxpatsxsox
                If EA didnt get exclusive for football then 2k wouldnt of gotten exclusive for baseball. I also dont get why people want MVP to come back when they havent made a baseball game on the next gen systems yet and the guy who made MVP created the other disaster in 2k8.

                2k for baseball=EA for football- there motto is wait til next year.
                I realize that is the license agreement between the two but at least Madden is enjoyable. It has its issues but those issues can be tolerated. 2K9's issues are much more prominent and frequent. I'm not saying people want MVP back, I'm just saying people would rather play a four year old game than an edition with more features and a living rosters feature. 2K's motto shouldn't be "wait til next year", it should be "sorry we suck at making baseball games".

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                • celtsxpatsxsox
                  Redsox
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 3310

                  #9
                  I am not comparing madden and 2k in terms of enjoyment for the game I am comparing them in terms of how there is always hype for them but when its all said and done its just a giant let down. I play 2k9 for pretty much one thing and that is the online leagues. If there werent online leagues I would probably not play it at all. With custom sliders, online becomes very enjoyable.

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                  • Primetime
                    Thank You Prince
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 17526

                    #10
                    Originally posted by celtsxpatsxsox
                    I am not comparing madden and 2k in terms of enjoyment for the game I am comparing them in terms of how there is always hype for them but when its all said and done its just a giant let down. I play 2k9 for pretty much one thing and that is the online leagues. If there werent online leagues I would probably not play it at all. With custom sliders, online becomes very enjoyable.
                    I didn't get to play online too much, only a few games. From what I saw, the lag is much more tolerable and the living rosters will benefit the online play greatly. The lag still effects the game quite a bit because baseball is a much more sensitive game than others. I guess you could say it is similar to free throw shooting online in NBA 2K9. Unless there is very minimal lag, it still effects the game greatly. Have to say I enjoyed MLB 2K9 online much more than my experience with The Show online though. The Show is just absolutely horrible and very similar to my experiences with 2K8 last year.

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                    • The Messenger
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 5063

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Primetime232
                      I didn't get to play online too much, only a few games. From what I saw, the lag is much more tolerable and the living rosters will benefit the online play greatly. The lag still effects the game quite a bit because baseball is a much more sensitive game than others. I guess you could say it is similar to free throw shooting online in NBA 2K9. Unless there is very minimal lag, it still effects the game greatly. Have to say I enjoyed MLB 2K9 online much more than my experience with The Show online though. The Show online is just absolutely horrible and very similar to my experiences with 2K8 last year.
                      Sorry, it was implied but there's idiots out there.


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                      • celtsxpatsxsox
                        Redsox
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 3310

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Primetime232
                        I didn't get to play online too much, only a few games. From what I saw, the lag is much more tolerable and the living rosters will benefit the online play greatly. The lag still effects the game quite a bit because baseball is a much more sensitive game than others. I guess you could say it is similar to free throw shooting online in NBA 2K9. Unless there is very minimal lag, it still effects the game greatly. Have to say I enjoyed MLB 2K9 online much more than my experience with The Show online though. The Show is just absolutely horrible and very similar to my experiences with 2K8 last year.
                        Which is why if I do get a PS3 I dont know if I would want the show because I dont play offline in baseball games that much. I would still probably get the show but online is the number 1 thing I want in a baseball game. I only experienced lag in 2k9 a couple times a game mostly on foul balls.

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                        • Primetime
                          Thank You Prince
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 17526

                          #13
                          Originally posted by The Messenger
                          Sorry, it was implied but there's idiots out there.
                          Not sure what you mean.

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                          • Primetime
                            Thank You Prince
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 17526

                            #14
                            Originally posted by codizzle42
                            A lot of the errors in the game CAN be fixed with sliders, but you have to pitch balls(which you do in RL) in order to make the hitter watch pitches. But, other things, including the REPETITIVE aggressiveness is annoying, and I hope it is fixed in a patch.
                            Instances like the aggressiveness as you mentioned can be helped a little by sliders but even when I tried to move the aggressiveness to zero, the computer still failed to look at it unless it was out of the strike zone but the umpire was feeling generous. When I tried to mess with the CPU pitching sliders, that was just a mess and didn't seem to work out at all. Most of these glitches cannot be fixed by sliders though. I was playing last night and my right fielder misses the ball of the wall and decides he liked the wall a lot and wanted to keep running at it while the base-runner jogged along for an easy triple on a ball that should have been caught in the first place. Obviously I'm not throwing the ball in the middle of the strike zone tempting the CPU to swing. I've been a pitcher all my life and know a lot of what goes into the mental aspect of the game. It really didn't matter whether I threw a perfect pitch on the corner or a meat ball right down the middle; the CPU was swinging either way.

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                            • Helicopter
                              V Why?
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 1311

                              #15
                              Primetime, just out of curiosity...if you have a PS3, why would you even rent 2k9, especially after playing the demo?

                              If it was solely for the purpose of writing a review, that's cool, but I learned my lesson after the 07 version and reaffirmed it after playing this year's demo.

                              I just haven't seen you posting your thoughts about The Show and was wondering, if you enjoy baseball games, why haven't you gotten it yet?

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