Madden 25

[killgod]

Where were you when Killgod called me a "fucking retard" for no constructive reason.

You're a fucking retard because you can't figure out where franchise mode is without guidance. I still stand by that.

[bucky]

Spot on about what exactly? It's the same retarded talking points every year. You can't even argue the point because they are too immature and childish to handle a logical reply.


Those just raging about this and that can't comprehend it had to be rebuilt, which includes everything. You as someone who understandings these things, should be able to wrap your head around that. If they had to rebuild the mode, they have to rebuild all the features. The previous features TOOK A WHOLE GENERATION to appear, yet now people expect it all at once?

Why is this so hard to understand?

They didn't have to REBUILD in 06. Using compilers/linkers and a higher level language, most of the code should have been portable from one console to the next generation. The only things that would need to be specific to the hardware would be any graphics commands that don't go through a standard library and any real time embedded code that would otherwise be a bottleneck in the processing time. Most code outside of gameplay, which would be all the modes, should have been portable code to the next gen. Move the code, make some changes, compile, link. To be w/o these features from 06 to 14/25 is ridiculous.

If they wanted to redo, they should have started 2 years before going to the PS2/Xbox and Madden 25 should have been Madden 07. OK they didn't have that vision back then. We should have had all the PS2 features PLUS a lot more up to Madden 12 and then have maybe have a one/two year window with the new CCM like we are going through now. Except it hasn't really been a one or two year window, it's been an 8+ year window. Yeah, I do understand. Do you?

[Aso]

I don't think Aso is understanding the point, as usual. it's not that PS2 was "better", it's that these features never should have left the game to begin with and should have been a constant throughout the dev cycles and had them improve year after year. Instead, the dev team took them out completely for years on end then introduce them as "new", when they aren't and now we'll have to put up with working the bugs out for the next few seasons when they should have already been worked out during the last half decade of Madden had they just been left in the game.

I understand your point but you don't understand mine even though I've laid it out pretty clearly.

It was never "taken out" in the first place.

[FirstTimer]

I understand your point but you don't understand mine even though I've laid it out pretty clearly.

It was never "taken out" in the first place.

[bucky]

I understand your point but you don't understand mine even though I've laid it out pretty clearly.

It was never "taken out" in the first place.

Really? Those features were never taken out? They've been in the game all these years and I just COULDN'T FIND THEM? You want to help point out to me where these features were in Madden 06 PS3?

[Aso]

Really? Those features were never taken out? They've been in the game all these years and I just COULDN'T FIND THEM? You want to help point out to me where these features were in Madden 06 PS3?

You're being dense. You can reread me previous posts if you want because I'd be rehashing the same thing.

[killgod]

They didn't have to REBUILD in 06. Using compilers/linkers and a higher level language, most of the code should have been portable from one console to the next generation. The only things that would need to be specific to the hardware would be any graphics commands that don't go through a standard library and any real time embedded code that would otherwise be a bottleneck in the processing time. Most code outside of gameplay, which would be all the modes, should have been portable code to the next gen. Move the code, make some changes, compile, link. To be w/o these features from 06 to 14/25 is ridiculous.

If they wanted to redo, they should have started 2 years before going to the PS2/Xbox and Madden 25 should have been Madden 07. OK they didn't have that vision back then. We should have had all the PS2 features PLUS a lot more up to Madden 12 and then have maybe have a one/two year window with the new CCM like we are going through now. Except it hasn't really been a one or two year window, it's been an 8+ year window. Yeah, I do understand. Do you?

Can you stop whining and stick to the fucking conversation? You're all the same. I ask a question to the complainers and it's "RAWR THEY SHOULDA DONE THIS AND I WOULDA DONE THAT, THEY TOOK 10 YEERZ!" Can you shut the fuck up with this point? We all know how you feel about that and nobody cares to read it for the 100th time in each Madden thread. Yeah they could have started redesigning for Madden 07, but again, online was where the money was for them, so they gave no fucks......but this point won't sink in cause everyone feels slighted they didn't get the game THEY wanted. You're trying to say you understand, but clearly basic business is beyond you.

Anyways, back to the conversation I'm trying to have.

So you know the 360/PS3 architecture well enough to know it could have translated as is?

Regardless, that's not what I asked you in the first place. They DID re-do it in M13 and for some reason the average person believes every single feature could just be plopped in without any re-design, and would work with the new core code for CC. Do you not agree that makes zero logical sense?

Do you not agree the last gen Madden, didn't happen in 1 or 2 years? Was the last franchise/owner mode not added to and put together over the course of 6, 7, 8 years? So would it not be logical to expect that it might not be possible to rebuild the entire feature set (in addition to rebuilding the whole mode itself), in 1 or 2 years?

[bucky]

You're being dense. You can reread me previous posts if you want because I'd be rehashing the same thing.

I must be dense cause I still haven't found those features in 06. Help me.

The real dense ones are the ones that say features weren't removed, they just weren't put in the rebuilt code. But they are in the game one year and gone the next. That's REMOVED from the game.

[Aso]

Even though they're different games.

[CCBrink]

and

This is why there should be a thread for the new version of Madden in the league forums every year.

This has turned into (how surprising) people bitching, while others that play the game year round try to post logically about why the "Madden Critics" are wrong.

[Glenbino]

Spot on about what exactly? It's the same retarded talking points every year. You can't even argue the point because they are too immature and childish to handle a logical reply.


Those just raging about this and that can't comprehend it had to be rebuilt, which includes everything. You as someone who understandings these things, should be able to wrap your head around that. If they had to rebuild the mode, they have to rebuild all the features. The previous features TOOK A WHOLE GENERATION to appear, yet now people expect it all at once?

Why is this so hard to understand?

They also had to be created out of thin air before... It's not like Madden took 10 years to implement the season mode from PS Madden to PS2 Madden.

They didn't have to invent anything I've seen here, it's all been done before. Was the presentation as good in 2003, probably not. But the mode seems deeper than what we've been shown so far (yes there were demographics and budget issues with re-location in the PS2 Owner Mode BTW) which makes no sense.

[bucky]

Can you stop whining and stick to the fucking conversation? You're all the same. I ask a question to the complainers and it's "RAWR THEY SHOULDA DONE THIS AND I WOULDA DONE THAT, THEY TOOK 10 YEERZ!" Can you shut the fuck up with this point? We all know how you feel about that and nobody cares to read it for the 100th time in each Madden thread. Yeah they could have started redesigning for Madden 07, but again, online was where the money was for them, so they gave no fucks......but this point won't sink in cause everyone feels slighted they didn't get the game THEY wanted. You're trying to say you understand, but clearly basic business is beyond you.

Basic business is REBUILDING just for online for Madden 06 instead of porting modes over from PS2 to PS3 and building spending MOST of your time building online up? I would think that porting most of what you have and building upon that would make the most business sense instead of scrapping everything to bare bones and just building up online. Move code, make some changes, compile, link. How much development time do you think it would have taken to do that? Wouldn't that have left a lot of time to put into online features?

So you know the 360/PS3 architecture well enough to know it could have translated as is?

You need to have support/development tools for that platform. You know, Compiler/linker. If they wrote everything in Machine code then they're Fng morons.

Regardless, that's not what I asked you in the first place. They DID re-do it in M13 and for some reason the average person believes every single feature could just be plopped in without any re-design, and would work with the new core code for CC. Do you not agree that makes zero logical sense?

It makes sense to not release something until it's ready to be released. M13 was rushed an not ready. And, if the modes would have been designed and done well (Modes carried over from PS1 to PS2 and improved upon each year), then why wouldn't much of the code be carried over? A good programmer steals as much code as they can. You're question is too narrow minded. You assume the code is just taken as is. Your parameters aren't realistic. "just be plopped in w/o any redesign". You don't have to just start over from scratch. Steal as much code as you can and fit it into your new design.

Do you not agree the last gen Madden, didn't happen in 1 or 2 years? Was the last franchise/owner mode not added to and put together over the course of 6, 7, 8 years? So would it not be logical to expect that it might not be possible to rebuild the entire feature set (in addition to rebuilding the whole mode itself), in 1 or 2 years?

They should not have had to redo the entire feature set from scratch. And so far, they are basically doing much of it in 3 years. The first year they worked on it the game wasn't released. They worked on it for two years then the first release. So this is the third year. So I say yes they could rebuild an entire feature set in two years of releases. They basically are doing it. But so what. We're not in a two year wait. We're currently in an 8 year wait.

[Glenbino]

Can you stop whining and stick to the fucking conversation? You're all the same. I ask a question to the complainers and it's "RAWR THEY SHOULDA DONE THIS AND I WOULDA DONE THAT, THEY TOOK 10 YEERZ!" Can you shut the fuck up with this point? We all know how you feel about that and nobody cares to read it for the 100th time in each Madden thread. Yeah they could have started redesigning for Madden 07, but again, online was where the money was for them, so they gave no fucks......but this point won't sink in cause everyone feels slighted they didn't get the game THEY wanted. You're trying to say you understand, but clearly basic business is beyond you.

Anyways, back to the conversation I'm trying to have.

So you know the 360/PS3 architecture well enough to know it could have translated as is?

Regardless, that's not what I asked you in the first place. They DID re-do it in M13 and for some reason the average person believes every single feature could just be plopped in without any re-design, and would work with the new core code for CC. Do you not agree that makes zero logical sense?

Do you not agree the last gen Madden, didn't happen in 1 or 2 years? Was the last franchise/owner mode not added to and put together over the course of 6, 7, 8 years? So would it not be logical to expect that it might not be possible to rebuild the entire feature set (in addition to rebuilding the whole mode itself), in 1 or 2 years?

Except that one of the biggest things people give EA Sports shit for is pulling features from games only to re-introduce them years down the road as a "new feature". This was going on long before the M25 roll out began, but this is just another glaring example of it.

I just think it's funny that the same people who have been giving me shit for complaining about the old aspects of owner mode being missing for 10 years ("Oh controlling hot dog prices is REALLY that important to you?") are now trying to jam this super awesome "new" aspect of the game down my throat.

[Glenbino]

And FWIW the first couple of next gen Maddens had owner mode features including real coaches (albeit way stripped down from PS2). So don't tell me there was no template in place.

These guys are doing a great job putting the features I love back into a game it was already in though, you're right.

Maybe they're just waiting to make real life coordinators DLC or part of a pre-order offer for next year.

[killgod]

They also had to be created out of thin air before... It's not like Madden took 10 years to implement the season mode from PS Madden to PS2 Madden.

They didn't have to invent anything I've seen here, it's all been done before. Was the presentation as good in 2003, probably not. But the mode seems deeper than what we've been shown so far (yes there were demographics and budget issues with re-location in the PS2 Owner Mode BTW) which makes no sense.

They didn't have to invent anything? No? They didn't have to account for all the new functionality of the new mode, it's variables and functions? So they could just "add in easily editing ratings" as an example, because it was there before. However, lets ignore that the previous franchise modes never had hot/cold streaks, the current progression/regression system, etc? The variable changes to ratings edits surely would never be broken by allowing a user to go in and edit freely right? That surely wouldn't open the door to crashes!

Why would it take 10 years to add a simple season mode from generation to the next? Clearly there's very little development required for the basic season mode in Madden 2001. Apples to oranges.