VSN Discusses Madden 25 Connected Franchise with EA’s Josh Looman

[PP]

you should have asked him why are certain sliders always broken in the game like penalty sliders for example....

BC the EA developers have a broken engine they cant fix. All resources go into extracting maximum $ from you through new game modes like MUT.

[Argath]

Alot of "They brought back the modes I used to love and improved them! FUCK YOU EA" ...going on in here.

Not sure how owner mode or draft classes can be classified as improved yet. In fact, if you use draft classes for randomized drafts (you know, to kill the draft guides like they "want" to do) they penalize you by taking out the truly only new feature they've added since the move to next gen, the story lines. It's absolutely pathetic. How much you want to bet the owner mode is broken when the game ships? Since when is it good business to just "settle" for something. "We couldn't add it, too many bugs." Do they not have programmers? Have none of their programmers had any formal training? I'm willing to bet most of their staff is incompetent.

For arguments sake, lets assume they can't add stuff because of the yearly cycle. Would it not make sense to split into two or three teams.
Team A: Focus on creating an actual brand new feature in the game. Release a new in depth, working feature every two years in the game.
Team B: Focus on working out the kinks/bugs + adding little nuances (Different things in owner mode, assistant coaches etc etc) and release these every year
Team C: Focus on rosters or no Team C at all if not needed.

Instead their business model appears to have this all jumbled into one giant team leading to mass confusion and incomplete releases due to this "rushed" schedule. It's already proven over the course of this current gen that you don't need to release any new features in the game to keep up sales for Madden, all you need is updated rosters and a new cover. I really don't see what's so hard about all this stuff and why there hasn't been any real progress this entire generation of consoles. I mean on the PS2/Xbox they were atleast innovative with hit stick, passing cone, truck stick owner mode v1 etc. They need to get back to that model and start making some new shit in the game.

[PP]

Well they did hire Adembroski who had no programming knowledge at all..

[killgod]

More like it's been a decade and they still haven't fixed the ONE game mode I like that they broke once they made the jump to next gen.

Are your guys' memories that bad where you forgot about all these "new features" that were already on last gen Madden?

Not to mention the inherent flaws that come with every other "new" Madden feature.

Who cares if you can't swat down passes.. look at how cool MUT is!

But don't worry guys they're working hard to get all these "new features" rolled out for next year... maybe.

Same old entitlement crap every year.

When NG came, the era was online, the game focus was online....because the majority of players were online. Free world capitalism, they don't need to cater to the small % of people playing franchise, they can make the game they want and they did.

The notion that it took "a decade" to fix franchise is funny. It actually took two years to build it for M13. Previously, as mentioned, they didn't care about it and barely worked on it...because the majority was online. Online peaked, they had their TV show run a bit, people got tired of the leaderboards and cheese play...so the moved on. I don't understand how you can yell about all the years franchise wasn't even being developed, because they didn't really have reason to. Now they do.

These "new features" were on last gen Madden?

When did "Last Gen" Madden have a franchise mode that was both on and off line? With the ability to be just a player or coach or owner? Or any combination we want? Can't remember that.
Owner mode was the same as what M25 is showing eh? I don't remember having real owners with varying personalities that effect the game? I don't recall having a bankroll to manage and pay off big signing bonuses on the spot? Or having to manage money to relocate?
Speaking of relocation, what did the old gen offer? A handful of clip art logos with 4 generic templates to mix and match? No "real" relocation cause all you did was type text into a city and name field, voila, you "relocated". Did they actually have real world destinations that varied in market strength, or financial support in building a stadium? They had presentation/commentary for the cities you relocated to? Really?


Do you bitch when say...I dunno, a car company rolls out their 2014 car, do you complain and say "well fuck, 50 years ago they gave us a car you know!"

These features are greatly enhanced from what we once had.

Question, what is so hard to comprehend about the fact that they decided to rip out the franchise mode and rebuild it from scratch? Do computer retarded people think they could do that, then just like..."plug in" features at the press of a button? Everything had to be re-written to function with the new core infrastructure. This is basic understandings of how computer code works and should have never come as a surprise that features would be added on as they went. All of the features from the previous Madden you love to reference, took years of adding to it in order to get to the final product. Yet, somehow it all needed to appear in the new designed mode day one?

This isn't defending EA, this is having a basic fucking understanding of how shit works.


Anyways, you're bitching about Madden, like you guys do every year as do the same other people who have always been here. You complain "they don't have owner mode" in the past so they bring it back and you complain some more. When do you live in the present and stop being sour that Madden 08 didn't have owner mode? Who the fuck cares about Madden 08.

It's 2013 and M25 has owner mode with features that have depth we've never had, that's great isn't it? Or it's just more fun to piss and moan about 5 year old Madden games?

[Glenbino]

Your car analogy is hilarious...

This would be like rolling out a 2014 car and calling a cassette player a "new feature"

[Aso]

Your car analogy is hilarious...

This would be like rolling out a 2014 car and calling a cassette player a "new feature"

No, it would be like having Pandora in your car upgraded on from a cassette player.

[BigBucs]

Good stuff Bill. Few good things came of it but not much. Really wished the draft classes were all random from top to bottom but the NCAA import will be the fix but we gonna have to watch some of them commisioners :iseeyou:

Yeah

I'll file it under "just another rule for BigBucs" section

Dont be a faggot. I wont use custom PBs and will vote against them if given the chance

[BigBucs]

I can see both sides of the argument. Shit takes time but on the flipside you have games like 2k thats shitting on everything madden does and they dont make the money EA does. Whats gonna be fucked is when next gen rolls around and we get a stripped down version of the game again only for them to repeat the cycle of adding shit we had this gen slowly until the cycle repeats itself when the XBox 1440 or PS5 rolls around.

Same old entitlement crap every year.

When NG came, the era was online, the game focus was online....because the majority of players were online. Free world capitalism, they don't need to cater to the small % of people playing franchise, they can make the game they want and they did.

The notion that it took "a decade" to fix franchise is funny. It actually took two years to build it for M13. Previously, as mentioned, they didn't care about it and barely worked on it...because the majority was online. Online peaked, they had their TV show run a bit, people got tired of the leaderboards and cheese play...so the moved on. I don't understand how you can yell about all the years franchise wasn't even being developed, because they didn't really have reason to. Now they do.

These "new features" were on last gen Madden?

When did "Last Gen" Madden have a franchise mode that was both on and off line? With the ability to be just a player or coach or owner? Or any combination we want? Can't remember that.
Owner mode was the same as what M25 is showing eh? I don't remember having real owners with varying personalities that effect the game? I don't recall having a bankroll to manage and pay off big signing bonuses on the spot? Or having to manage money to relocate?
Speaking of relocation, what did the old gen offer? A handful of clip art logos with 4 generic templates to mix and match? No "real" relocation cause all you did was type text into a city and name field, voila, you "relocated". Did they actually have real world destinations that varied in market strength, or financial support in building a stadium? They had presentation/commentary for the cities you relocated to? Really?


Do you bitch when say...I dunno, a car company rolls out their 2014 car, do you complain and say "well fuck, 50 years ago they gave us a car you know!"

These features are greatly enhanced from what we once had.

Question, what is so hard to comprehend about the fact that they decided to rip out the franchise mode and rebuild it from scratch? Do computer retarded people think they could do that, then just like..."plug in" features at the press of a button? Everything had to be re-written to function with the new core infrastructure. This is basic understandings of how computer code works and should have never come as a surprise that features would be added on as they went. All of the features from the previous Madden you love to reference, took years of adding to it in order to get to the final product. Yet, somehow it all needed to appear in the new designed mode day one?

This isn't defending EA, this is having a basic fucking understanding of how shit works.


Anyways, you're bitching about Madden, like you guys do every year as do the same other people who have always been here. You complain "they don't have owner mode" in the past so they bring it back and you complain some more. When do you live in the present and stop being sour that Madden 08 didn't have owner mode? Who the fuck cares about Madden 08.

It's 2013 and M25 has owner mode with features that have depth we've never had, that's great isn't it? Or it's just more fun to piss and moan about 5 year old Madden games?

[JimLeavy59]

Same old entitlement crap every year.

When NG came, the era was online, the game focus was online....because the majority of players were online. Free world capitalism, they don't need to cater to the small % of people playing franchise, they can make the game they want and they did.

The notion that it took "a decade" to fix franchise is funny. It actually took two years to build it for M13. Previously, as mentioned, they didn't care about it and barely worked on it...because the majority was online. Online peaked, they had their TV show run a bit, people got tired of the leaderboards and cheese play...so the moved on. I don't understand how you can yell about all the years franchise wasn't even being developed, because they didn't really have reason to. Now they do.

These "new features" were on last gen Madden?

When did "Last Gen" Madden have a franchise mode that was both on and off line? With the ability to be just a player or coach or owner? Or any combination we want? Can't remember that.
Owner mode was the same as what M25 is showing eh? I don't remember having real owners with varying personalities that effect the game? I don't recall having a bankroll to manage and pay off big signing bonuses on the spot? Or having to manage money to relocate?
Speaking of relocation, what did the old gen offer? A handful of clip art logos with 4 generic templates to mix and match? No "real" relocation cause all you did was type text into a city and name field, voila, you "relocated". Did they actually have real world destinations that varied in market strength, or financial support in building a stadium? They had presentation/commentary for the cities you relocated to? Really?


Do you bitch when say...I dunno, a car company rolls out their 2014 car, do you complain and say "well fuck, 50 years ago they gave us a car you know!"

These features are greatly enhanced from what we once had.

Question, what is so hard to comprehend about the fact that they decided to rip out the franchise mode and rebuild it from scratch? Do computer retarded people think they could do that, then just like..."plug in" features at the press of a button? Everything had to be re-written to function with the new core infrastructure. This is basic understandings of how computer code works and should have never come as a surprise that features would be added on as they went. All of the features from the previous Madden you love to reference, took years of adding to it in order to get to the final product. Yet, somehow it all needed to appear in the new designed mode day one?

This isn't defending EA, this is having a basic fucking understanding of how shit works.


Anyways, you're bitching about Madden, like you guys do every year as do the same other people who have always been here. You complain "they don't have owner mode" in the past so they bring it back and you complain some more. When do you live in the present and stop being sour that Madden 08 didn't have owner mode? Who the fuck cares about Madden 08.

It's 2013 and M25 has owner mode with features that have depth we've never had, that's great isn't it? Or it's just more fun to piss and moan about 5 year old Madden games?

EA fanboy it up.

[killgod]

Nice terrible ability to respond to any and all points, that wasn't expected None of you can defend your retarded commentary, none of you can disprove the changes, none of you have a point outside of the returning feature having the same "name"

omgherd you get enjoyment playing Madden? FANBOI! lol #AdultsontheInternet

Continue on with your "OWNER MODE WASNT IN MADDEN 08 SO IM STILL MAD" stories, "just hire a Devry developer for 100K and he'll make it all work easy!" logical comments and utter whining that Madden isn't personally customized to your own desires. I mean you've only been repeating yourselves for years, what's one more?

Everyone else can carry on living in the present.

[killgod]

Good stuff Bill. Few good things came of it but not much. Really wished the draft classes were all random from top to bottom but the NCAA import will be the fix but we gonna have to watch some of them commisioners :iseeyou:



Dont be a faggot. I wont use custom PBs and will vote against them if given the chance

y so srs

[willie65]

I like what your saying man. I know the new options in Madden 25 are rehashes of the past, but I welcome them back. Hopefully the game play is better and the give us roster share like NCAA Football 2013.

[FirstTimer]

Same old entitlement crap every year.

When NG came, the era was online, the game focus was online....because the majority of players were online. Free world capitalism, they don't need to cater to the small % of people playing franchise, they can make the game they want and they did.

The notion that it took "a decade" to fix franchise is funny. It actually took two years to build it for M13. Previously, as mentioned, they didn't care about it and barely worked on it...because the majority was online. Online peaked, they had their TV show run a bit, people got tired of the leaderboards and cheese play...so the moved on. I don't understand how you can yell about all the years franchise wasn't even being developed, because they didn't really have reason to. Now they do.

These "new features" were on last gen Madden?

When did "Last Gen" Madden have a franchise mode that was both on and off line? With the ability to be just a player or coach or owner? Or any combination we want? Can't remember that.
Owner mode was the same as what M25 is showing eh? I don't remember having real owners with varying personalities that effect the game? I don't recall having a bankroll to manage and pay off big signing bonuses on the spot? Or having to manage money to relocate?
Speaking of relocation, what did the old gen offer? A handful of clip art logos with 4 generic templates to mix and match? No "real" relocation cause all you did was type text into a city and name field, voila, you "relocated". Did they actually have real world destinations that varied in market strength, or financial support in building a stadium? They had presentation/commentary for the cities you relocated to? Really?


Do you bitch when say...I dunno, a car company rolls out their 2014 car, do you complain and say "well fuck, 50 years ago they gave us a car you know!"

These features are greatly enhanced from what we once had.

Question, what is so hard to comprehend about the fact that they decided to rip out the franchise mode and rebuild it from scratch? Do computer retarded people think they could do that, then just like..."plug in" features at the press of a button? Everything had to be re-written to function with the new core infrastructure. This is basic understandings of how computer code works and should have never come as a surprise that features would be added on as they went. All of the features from the previous Madden you love to reference, took years of adding to it in order to get to the final product. Yet, somehow it all needed to appear in the new designed mode day one?

This isn't defending EA, this is having a basic fucking understanding of how shit works.


Anyways, you're bitching about Madden, like you guys do every year as do the same other people who have always been here. You complain "they don't have owner mode" in the past so they bring it back and you complain some more. When do you live in the present and stop being sour that Madden 08 didn't have owner mode? Who the fuck cares about Madden 08.

It's 2013 and M25 has owner mode with features that have depth we've never had, that's great isn't it? Or it's just more fun to piss and moan about 5 year old Madden games?

You're assuming any of the new tweaks on an old mode work.

Which we don't know yet.

Given EA's history of shit with Madden, I expect buggy as hell experiences.

At least SimCity is going well.

[leaffan]

Killgods faith in the madden team this year is just amazing.

[leaffan]

K so I finally read it. When I seen this:

The system is pretty simple…if you don’t meet any goals for the week you remain on the cold streak. If you make 2 of 3 the following week, you are on a hot streak and if you just make 1 you stay neutral.

I died a litte. THAT'S THE FUCKIN LOGIC BEHIND THE RETARDED STREAKS.....