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  • thirtydaZe
    Divided We Fall
    • Feb 2009
    • 3342

    Bad News for EA?

    Just for the record, I've always hated this fucking piece of shit.



    Jocks Vs. Nerds: Former College QB Sues NCAA, Videogame Company Over Use of Athletes' Names and Likenesses
    By Joe Eskenazi in Business, Law & Order, SportsWednesday, May. 6 2009 @ 8:30AM

    The plot of many a 3 a.m.-caliber movie has featured the put-upon nerd matriculating to vast wealth in the computer industry -- while the bullying quarterback peaks before age 22. Yet in San Francisco Federal Court you could call it "Revenge of the Jocks."

    Samuel Keller, a San Ramon High School graduate and former quarterback at Arizona State and Nebraska, on Tuesday filed a class action suit against Bay Area-based videogame company Electronic Arts -- and, while he was at it, the NCAA -- over the use of unpaid student athletes' names and likenesses in games.

    The suit opens up strong, claiming in its first sentence that it "arises out of the blatant and unlawful use of National Collegiate Athletic Association ('NCAA') student likenesses in videogames produced by Electronic Arts ... to increase sales and profits." This, the complaint continues, is abetted with a wink-and-nod assist from the NCAA, which "intentionally circumvents the prohibitions on utilizing student athletes' names in commercial ventures by allowing gamers to upload entire rosters, which include players' names and other information, directly into the game in a matter of seconds."

    This, the suit alleges, is a symbiotic relationship between the NCAA and EA that leaves the student athletes -- who make this whole venture possible -- empty-handed.

    The suit goes on to state that the NCAA's own bylaw 12.5 prohibits the commercialization of a student athlete's "name, picture, or likeness." The athletes themselves must even sign an affidavit confirming they "read and understand" this rule regarding the maintaining of their amateur status.

    So it rankled Keller to note that "with rare exception, virtually every real-life Division I football or basketball player in the NCAA has a corresponding player in Electronic Arts' games with the same jersey number, and virtually identical height, weight, build and home state. In addition Electronic Arts often matches the player's, skin tone, hair color, and often even a player's hair style."

    In other words, the complaint contends it was no coincidence that, say, Kent State running back Eugene Jarvis is redshirt junior from Pennsylvania wearing No. 6 who stands just 5-foot-5 and weighs 170 pounds -- and the "randomly generated" Kent State RB in EA's NCAA 2009 game also happens to be a redshirt junior from Pennsylvania wearing No. 6 and standing 5-foot-5 and weighing 170 pounds (who also has the same dark skin tone as Jarvis).

    Many such examples are named in the suit -- leading, of course, to "Quarterback No. 9" At Arizona State and "Quarterback No. 5" at Nebraska. That, it would appear, is Sam Keller.

    The QB demands a jury trial -- as well as disgorgement, actual, statuatory, and punitive damages as well as an injunction, and the destruction of the offending video games (perhaps they could dump them into a New Mexico landfill next to the old Atari cartridges of E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial nobody bought).

    H/T | CourthouseNews.com

    PDF of lawsuit:
    Last edited by thirtydaZe; 05-07-2009, 11:21 AM.
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  • DSpydr84
    I need a sub
    • Oct 2008
    • 2605

    #2
    This guy's just pissed he didn't get drafted and he wants to make a quick buck. This won't lead to anything.

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    • killgod
      OHHHH WHEN THE REDSSSSS
      • Oct 2008
      • 4714

      #3
      i love the comments below from those half brain morons.


      The rules/regulations/laws are set. EA violated them, clearly.

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      • DSpydr84
        I need a sub
        • Oct 2008
        • 2605

        #4
        Originally posted by killgod
        i love the comments below from those half brain morons.


        The rules/regulations/laws are set. EA violated them, clearly.
        Yeah but do you really think EA could've slid under the radar for this long and now finally somebody is catching them on this? There's no way the NCAA would've allowed them to make an NCAA '99 let alone 2009. They know exactly what's going on with this game, so I'm sure it's alright by them since it has been for some time now.

        I'd be very surprised if this went anywhere.

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        • killgod
          OHHHH WHEN THE REDSSSSS
          • Oct 2008
          • 4714

          #5
          Originally posted by DSpydr84
          Yeah but do you really think EA could've slid under the radar for this long and now finally somebody is catching them on this? There's no way the NCAA would've allowed them to make an NCAA '99 let alone 2009. They know exactly what's going on with this game, so I'm sure it's alright by them since it has been for some time now.

          I'd be very surprised if this went anywhere.
          The NCAA profits off this, the players don't.

          Why would the NCAA put a stop to something that generates them money and interest in their business?

          I'd be very surprised is this didn't go anywhere. There's precedent with the former NFL players winning a lawsuit against EA already.....

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          • thirtydaZe
            Divided We Fall
            • Feb 2009
            • 3342

            #6
            Originally posted by DSpydr84
            This guy's just pissed he didn't get drafted and he wants to make a quick buck. This won't lead to anything.
            i couldn't agree more about him being pissed that he sucked it up hard after all they hype for him.

            word is, he's currently a bar tender somewhere in AZ, so he is bitter, and he needs $$.

            this not leading to anything however is a different deal. It (being keller), is suing for likenesses. so skin color, height, weight, position, number is likenesses.

            i posted this to the local sports talk yesterday, and it ruled the show, lawyers calling in and all.

            it's going to be very interesting to see how much of a piece of shit this asshole really is.
            Last edited by thirtydaZe; 05-07-2009, 11:28 AM.
            “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials.” (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates)

            “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves…and include all men capable of bearing arms.” (Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788)

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            • DJ Rhude
              #42 G.O.A.T.
              • Feb 2009
              • 4359

              #7
              And I was just wondering if we we're going to have named rosters upon release like last year lol

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              • FirstTimer
                Freeman Error

                • Feb 2009
                • 18729

                #8
                I doubt the NCAA missed a massive loophole like this for all these years. Honestly, Keller has been the ONLY guy to ctach this and think this in the last what? 15 years? Please. Nothing will happen with this.

                The NFL deal is different because those are professional athletes. Apples and oranges.

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                • DSpydr84
                  I need a sub
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2605

                  #9
                  So is he proposing that the NCAA/EA should pay these players, or that there should not be a realistic game (essentially, seeing as how none of the players would be similar)? I can bet quite a few people would not be happy with Sam Keller if it were about the latter...

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                  • DJ Rhude
                    #42 G.O.A.T.
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 4359

                    #10
                    yeah, I don't think EA has much to worry about, emulating player likenesses in video games has gone on forever

                    Who remembers Roster guard #99 on NBA Live? Looked eerily similiar to that MJ guy....played like him too

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                    • killgod
                      OHHHH WHEN THE REDSSSSS
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 4714

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Firsttimer
                      I doubt the NCAA missed a massive loophole like this for all these years. Honestly, Keller has been the ONLY guy to ctach this and think this in the last what? 15 years? Please. Nothing will happen with this.

                      The NFL deal is different because those are professional athletes. Apples and oranges.
                      Would NCAA be the same if Florida's QB was a black unathletic pocket passer?

                      That certainly would look odd in their trailers/marketing campaign.

                      The NCAA bylaw says no "likeness" can be used, yet every player is done exactly as they are except without using a name (although the game's announcers know everybody's name...)

                      I don't speak legal or know what kind of weight these NCAA bylaws hold....but clearly it's a violation of them is it not?

                      Just because the guy that's filing the suit is a useless douchebag in your guys opinion, doesn't take away from the case he's trying to make.

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                      • DJ Rhude
                        #42 G.O.A.T.
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 4359

                        #12
                        If it goes to trial, there could be people on the jury who share the similiar thinking of KG.......probably people who have zero connection to NCAA Football, or roster naming projects for the good of dynasties.....they'll only be looking at things in black and white......did EA violate or not.......so yeah, I guess it does bear some watching and I understand where KG is coming from on this
                        Last edited by DJ Rhude; 05-07-2009, 11:47 AM.

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                        • FirstTimer
                          Freeman Error

                          • Feb 2009
                          • 18729

                          #13
                          Originally posted by killgod
                          Would NCAA be the same if Florida's QB was a black unathletic pocket passer?
                          Meh. Who cares? 99% of the people here use edited rosters anyways. It would take more work by the roster guys but in the end I'd play the same game regardless.



                          Originally posted by killgod
                          The NCAA bylaw says no "likeness" can be used, yet every player is done exactly as they are except without using a name (although the game's announcers know everybody's name...)

                          I don't speak legal or know what kind of weight these NCAA bylaws hold....but clearly it's a violation of them is it not?
                          Who knows. I'm sure the law book is massive and complicated. Can't take one sentence and hold it under a microscope. It isn't that simple. I mean what determines "likeness"? Technically then every player in the game would have to be the opposite race as they are in real life. Where do you draw the line?

                          In any case I'm not too worried. I doubt this large of a loophole existed for 15+ years and noone has ever brought this case before. That's why I'm saying this isn't a big deal and I don't really care what happens with the case.

                          Originally posted by killgod
                          Just because the guy that's filing the suit is a useless douchebag in your guys opinion, doesn't take away from the case he's trying to make.
                          I don't give two shits about Keller. Just a guy trying to make a buck. I don't think it will work but oh well.
                          Last edited by FirstTimer; 05-07-2009, 11:50 AM.

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                          • DSpydr84
                            I need a sub
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 2605

                            #14
                            I just don't understand why this is coming up now and didn't come up in 1998 when the game was doing the same thing. How has nobody called them out on this before?

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                            • thirtydaZe
                              Divided We Fall
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 3342

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DSpydr84
                              I just don't understand why this is coming up now and didn't come up in 1998 when the game was doing the same thing. How has nobody called them out on this before?
                              its cuz he's sam "stellar" keller. don't ya know?
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                              “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves…and include all men capable of bearing arms.” (Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788)

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