LOST

[BroncoBlue]

-First off I do not think Sayid is Jacob. If you notice Smokey can only replicate people who's dead bodies are on the island, i.e. Eko's brother, Jack's dad (maybe), and Locke. Even though Locke is walking around the island Locke's dead body is still there. Sayid rose from the Dead, which something new on LOST, if and only if Christan Shepard ends up being smoky and not a Zombie.

- If you notice the Others made a comment about the Temple water "not being clear" and then the guy the Last Samurai goes and cuts his hand and dips it in the water. I think the water is the fountain of youth and is suppose to heal, but for what ever reason (unknown at this point) it's not working the same way. The Others looked just as surprised as the 815ers when Sayid rose from the dead.

-The bomb did go off! Juliet says it worked and is right. I think the combination of the magnetic anomaly and the bomb caused a time travel warp, hence Jin's explanation and why they end up at the same time as Evil Locke and Sun.

-This is where it gets tricky to understands though. IMO I understood it as Jack's plan worked and he did prevent the plane from crashing which intern created a Parrnell universe which is depicted from the "Flashsidways" we are seeing. Think about it we had flashbacks and flashforwards and now flashsideways. Even though both Parrnell universes have the same people it's not exactly the same because it can't be. If they never land on the island Jack never throws the bomb down the hole because he was never in 1974. Because he was never in 1974 the magnetic anomaly goes off and sinks the island. If you look closely at the beginning when we see the island under water there is clues to suggest this true. Dharmaville is there and the statue is just a foot. Dharmaville was constructed in the early 70's to late 60's so we know the island got at least that far in time.

-Basically Miles was right, Jack was the incident. If Jack did nothing then the Swan hatch would have never been constructed and the island would have been sucked underwater by the magnetic anomaly as depicted in the Flashsideways at the begging.

*These my original thoughts and not clouded with others theories, so I could be completely wrong.

[BroncoBlue]

http://www.cracked.com/funny-39-lost/

Check out this article on cracked.com. Pretty funny.

Worth reading simply because they have a hot picture of Kate.

That pics been around forever! Heres some old gifs though!

[St. Francisco]

They should rename this show to "Holy Fuck, Did That Just Happen?!" It's much more fitting.

Also, I'm getting pretty pissed off at all of these "All questions will finally be answered" previews. I have more fucking questions in those first two hours than I did in the entire previous five seasons.

Now, to my thoughts:

1. The bomb...I think it goes off and doesn't at the same time. In the parallel universe, it goes off and everything takes a different tangent hence the flash sideways. In the other reality, it only sends the guys back to their current time. So, everything still happens as it did in the show.

2. Hmmm...my first thoughts were Sayid was being controlled by smoke monster, but Jacob is a damn good theory too, especially considering the fact that the ash has been thrown, and all defenses are up, so smokey shouldn't be able to get into the temple. Perhaps this is why Jacob had Hurley bring Sayid to the temple. So he could inhabit Sayid's body under the protection of his peopel.

I think he [Jacob] intervenes at the most drastic times, such as when Locke fell out of the window, or Sayid was about to get run over, but Nadia got hit.

Tonight, I actually noticed that with every single one of them, Jacob actually comes into physical contact with. He touches Kate's nose, holds hands with Jin and Sun, touches Locke and wakes him up, hands Jack the candy and brushes his finger. Maybe he somehow gives them a special protection at that point to get them safely to the island when the plane crashed.

now wondering, if that temple has been there the whole time, since they first episode when they crashed. Its almost like the wall is so high, you just can't see the temple. Lot of my friends are wondering if those people are from the Black Rock.

The temple has obviously been there for a long time. The smoke monster lives underneath it, to be close at hand to kill all those fuckers if Jacob's protection every gives up. Plus, that's where they took little Ben when he got shot. He was put in that pool, and revived.

I think it was interesting that The Man in the Black mentioned Richard looked different w/o chains. Not sure if he meant literally or theoretically, that he killed Jacob and is not under his command anymore.

Richard has been shown before in earlier flashes bound in chains...the theory that he was a slave on the Black Rock is a good one, probably true. And he's just been living ever since, protected by Jacob, and not aging.

-First off I do not think Sayid is Jacob. If you notice Smokey can only replicate people who's dead bodies are on the island, i.e. Eko's brother, Jack's dad (maybe), and Locke. Even though Locke is walking around the island Locke's dead body is still there. Sayid rose from the Dead, which something new on LOST, if and only if Christan Shepard ends up being smoky and not a Zombie.

Wait...what? Sayid's dead body is on the island, so if we assume Jacob has the same powers as smokey, then this is certainly possible. Also, smokey doesn't just replicate, he retains all memories. Remember that smokey told Ben the last thought running through Locke's head when he died.

If you notice the Others made a comment about the Temple water "not being clear" and then the guy the Last Samurai goes and cuts his hand and dips it in the water. I think the water is the fountain of youth and is suppose to heal, but for what ever reason (unknown at this point) it's not working the same way. The Others looked just as surprised as the 815ers when Sayid rose from the dead.

Indeed...I think back to when Locke "rises from the dead" in season five, and Ben tells Sun, "I've seen a lot of things on this island. But dead is dead." For this reason, I think Sayid is dead, so he's either smokey or Jacob now. Yeah, pretty straightforward on the water...changes color, and it's not working, but they try anyway and it doesn't save Sayid. I think Jacob's death took away it's healing powers.

This is where it gets tricky to understands though. IMO I understood it as Jack's plan worked and he did prevent the plane from crashing which intern created a Parrnell universe which is depicted from the "Flashsidways" we are seeing. Think about it we had flashbacks and flashforwards and now flashsideways. Even though both Parrnell universes have the same people it's not exactly the same because it can't be. If they never land on the island Jack never throws the bomb down the hole because he was never in 1974. Because he was never in 1974 the magnetic anomaly goes off and sinks the island. If you look closely at the beginning when we see the island under water there is clues to suggest this true. Dharmaville is there and the statue is just a foot. Dharmaville was constructed in the early 70's to late 60's so we know the island got at least that far in time.

Here's how I see it. Everything from the beginning of time right up until the bomb incident is exactly the same in both universes. Remember that while the Lost guys are in Dharma's past, it's actually their present-tense. Anyway, so is parallel universe, the island sinks from the bomb, everything keeps going and going. The world continues. In island universe, they are simply transported back to present tense, and life continues like it was in the first five seasons. What I'm trying to say is that Jack never has to go to the island in order to go to the past in order to set off the bomb because that happens in Lost universe, and now Jack Part 2 exists in parallel universe. So his life isn't altered by that.

The thing I have a hard time with is if they blow up the future, how is Locke still alive in parallel universe? Didn't Jacob heal him when he fell out of that window? How can that happen in parallel universe if the island is gone? Or perhaps my other theory is right in that Jacob never actually heals Locke...he just marks him, and gives him protection so that he may reach the island.

Basically Miles was right, Jack was the incident. If Jack did nothing then the Swan hatch would have never been constructed and the island would have been sucked underwater by the magnetic anomaly as depicted in the Flashsideways at the begging.

Eh, don't agree with that. The bomb caused the island to sink. Basically, I think what happens is at that point, the island sinks in one reality. But in the other reality, all those guys just disappear, and the Dharma folks keep going on about their hatch business.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

The Man In Black or the Smoke Monster (same guy) takes the form of dead people on the island (hence why Locke had to come back to the island...dead). However, Jacob's "existence" (not his terrestrial being) can take the body of a person when they enter the pool. Sayid never actually died, hence why Miles couldn't hear him when he was unconscious.

The two storylines now are interesting. You have the battle between good and evil on the island with the Smoke Monster wanting "to go home"...and I assume everyone with it...however, has been unable to (for whatever reason) and attributes it to Locke, because out of everyone on the island only Locke wanted to stay on the island and not go back to their crappy lives. Thus, the two storylines now...the battle on the island and the parallel universe where the Losties go back home and everything is perfect.

Kate escapes the law and is free and also meets Sawyer, who helps her escape.
Real Locke meets Jack with the hope of being able to walk again.
Hurley isn't the unluckiest man on the earth any longer, he is actually the luckiest.
Rose and Bernard are together and as in-love as ever.
Charlie and Boone never die and Boone is also free from his sister (he leaves her in Australia).
Desmond is on the plane and on his way home to see his girl.

How all of this ends on the final season is anyone's guess...the big question of "why" may never be explained...all I can presume right now is that it is a battle between good and evil...why? Don't know, nobody does but the writers.

[Buzzman]

One thing you need to take notice, the Smoke Monster doesnt take the form of anyone who has been buried. Every single person he mimmicks was never buried. Jackss dad, Mr Eckos brother, Bens daughter, and John Locke. My dad and I think it cant take control of buried people.

[kyhadley]

One thing you need to take notice, the Smoke Monster doesnt take the form of anyone who has been buried. Every single person he mimmicks was never buried. Jackss dad, Mr Eckos brother, Bens daughter, and John Locke. My dad and I think it cant take control of buried people.

I'm pretty sure I remember someone asking Ben where he was at some point, and him saying he was burying his daughter.

[Primetime]

I'm pretty sure I remember someone asking Ben where he was at some point, and him saying he was burying his daughter.

This sounds familiar to me as well.

[citizenerased]

I think the Smoke Monster has to have seen or "processed" the person (either alive - like John or dead but an unburied corpse - like Jacks' Dad) before it can take it's form. Remember after Alex died, Ben summoned him to take out the mercenaries and Ben buried her after it had passed through so it would've seen her then.

So if you bury the corpse before it has had a chance to actually see the corpse and it never encountered the person while they were still alive I think Smokie won't be able to mimic it.

[St. Francisco]

One thing you need to take notice, the Smoke Monster doesnt take the form of anyone who has been buried. Every single person he mimmicks was never buried. Jackss dad, Mr Eckos brother, Bens daughter, and John Locke. My dad and I think it cant take control of buried people.

Based on next week's preview, I have a feeling that Sawyer will encounter Smokey out in the jungle in the form of Juliet at some point in the next few episodes.

[mgoblue2290]

One thing you need to take notice, the Smoke Monster doesnt take the form of anyone who has been buried. Every single person he mimmicks was never buried. Jackss dad, Mr Eckos brother, Bens daughter, and John Locke. My dad and I think it cant take control of buried people.

Remember when they first got transported back to the 70's? Part of the Dharma people's truce with the Others was to bury the dead. The reason you listed is exactly why.

[EmpireWF]

Remember when they first got transported back to the 70's? Part of the Dharma people's truce with the Others was to bury the dead. The reason you listed is exactly why.

Damn, never put 2 & 2 together.

[Sean]

so the person has to be dead for the smoke monster to control them? i guess it makes sense, but now that i think about it, the whole Eko and his brother thing was kinda stupid, bc the smoke monster just ended up killing him, or did i miss something?

[St. Francisco]

Remember when they first got transported back to the 70's? Part of the Dharma people's truce with the Others was to bury the dead. The reason you listed is exactly why.

Nicely done...like when that chick freaks out in the middle of that field, and wants to bury that dude.

[BroncoBlue]

so the person has to be dead for the smoke monster to control them? i guess it makes sense, but now that i think about it, the whole Eko and his brother thing was kinda stupid, bc the smoke monster just ended up killing him, or did i miss something?

The smoke monster was Eko's brother on the island. that's why he told him, "You talk to me as if I'm your brother."

[citizenerased]

so the person has to be dead for the smoke monster to control them? i guess it makes sense, but now that i think about it, the whole Eko and his brother thing was kinda stupid, bc the smoke monster just ended up killing him, or did i miss something?

He isn't controlling them - he is just taking on their appearance - hence the reason we have Corpse Locke (the real Locke who's body is being rolled around the place) and Zombie Locke (who is really Smokie/Jacob's enemy)

The smoke monster was Eko's brother on the island. that's why he told him, "You talk to me as if I'm your brother."

Yup, Yemi's body was never buried, just spent 10 years or however long it was stuck in that plane that was stuck in the cliff, hence Smokie being able to use his form.