The Amazing Spiderman (2012)

[Palooza]

Front runners for director/people Sony want (looks like they won't be going the teeny boper route as Josh Schwartz is nowhere near this. Thank God.)

Marc Webb (500 Days of Summer)
James Cameron (Avatar)
David Fincher (Fight Club)
Wes Anderson (the Royal Tenenbaums)
Neill Blomkamp (District 9)

[Buzzman]

all are very solid choices. The guy from District 9 is intresting. That movie with only a 45 million dollar budget has some of the best special effects in terms of it feeling real that I couldnt imagine what would happen with a monster budget.

[Palooza]

It's pretty much Marc Webb's to lose right now, though, Buzz. He is pretty much the only one they're interested in that has spoken/met with Sony.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Hi, the Evil Dead series disagrees. And I agree with JHight, Batman was known for camp way before it was known for grit. You liked XMen 3, lol, proves you shouldn't even open your yap about comic books or their movies.

Right a series known for absolute B-level story acting and camp.
And people want hyper realistic from that guy ?

Spare me. Theres a reason movies are "cult" hits. The only appeal to very small audiences.

omg lulz!!:applause:
Xmen 3 would be dead last in "goodness" of the trilogy. But it most certainly wasnt terrible and was entertaining.

Having grown up on the source material and knowing what to expect I find myself enjoying these movies for what they are. Not desperately crying out for one franchise to steal anothers style to satisfy misguided fanboyism.

Terrible attempts at "hyper realism" is what killed Daredevil , the first Hulk , and the second Punisher.
The shit isnt some magic recipe for a good movie.
Nolan accomplished with one character all of a sudden nerdbombers think every comic movie should follow that recipe.
Completely ignoring that Nolan had arguably the most well known graphic novel of all time , and a mega hit Tim Burton classic as a starting point.

Theres only so much grit you can put into a movie about guys in crayola colors. Xmen 1 , 2 , spiderman 1, 2 , and Iron man should all be a smack in the face telling you people that darkness isnt necessary for a great comic book movie.

[Buzzman]

I personally thought X-Men 3 was complete trash and moved completely away what the 1st 2 movies stood for. Then you had X-Men Origins: Wolverine which should've been a dark movie considering Wolverines past, was completely opposite. The flashbacks scenes in X-Men put the entire movie to shame.

Side Note: Drag Me To Hell was such a sweet movie. You cant say raimi doesnt have talent.

[JeremyHight]

To be fair, Bats was one of the darker characters early on, then they camped it up when they added Robin. Then came the ultra campy Adam West series and the Superfriends. Somewhere after that, I think, Frank Miller got involved & he & some other writers turned the tide back to a grimmer character and Tim Burton's two movies continued in that manner. Then Joel Schumacher and that damn Robin came along again trying to emulate the Adam West show on the big screen. Dumb.

Here is the basic timeline of Batman:

May 1939 - First real story involving Batman, basically a detective with little remorse for killing.

April 1940 - Robin introduced, Batman fleshed out to be more "campy".

1969 - O'Neil and Adams start to distance themselves from the "campy" nature.

So you are saying that because for 1 year in the first 30 years of Batman's history he was dark, he was always this "Dark Knight" he is made to be today?

Again, heroes can be changed an reimagined. They always are and movies go along with that. When audiences want campy, they get it. When audiences want dark, they get it. When audiences want to see Nazis and Communists beat up, they even get that, too.

Spiderman is no different. Take an ordinary guy who through some weird twist of fate, starts to get stronger and faster. He takes it for granted and at a very immature time, loses his father figure in his uncle. He has to deal with his growing need for revenge along with his changing physical nature. You can make it dark, not super dark of course, but you can make it more realistic. Marvel has done it with it's characters already in a lot of the Ultimate series.

People act like Batman is the only one who can be dark and realistic, but Batman isn't realistic in the least. None of these are. None of them are so groundbreaking and revolutionary that they cannot be repeated with great writing.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I personally thought X-Men 3 was complete trash and moved completely away what the 1st 2 movies stood for. Then you had X-Men Origins: Wolverine which should've been a dark movie considering Wolverines past, was completely opposite. The flashbacks scenes in X-Men put the entire movie to shame.

Side Note: Drag Me To Hell was such a sweet movie. You cant say raimi doesnt have talent.

X3 premise was good but they screwed up with production blunders almost from the beginning. I thought there was enough that it wasnt awful and a decent watch. Maybe I need to watch it again only saw it in the theaters.

Wolverine origins I thought was bad.


Havent seen Drag..heard it was fantastic.. But it supposedly also mixes in some campiness. Hes obviously an immensely talented director ,its his writing I question. Certainly seems to be great at writing that genre.
His dislike for Venom cost the franchise IMO. From what I recall he was against it from day one and avoided the Venom/Eddie Brock story as much as he could.

[calgaryballer]

What everyone forgets is that over time the Venom story became very confusing, and essentially pointless. Carnage is a shallow character, the symbiotes are an easy cop out for Spider Man writers and it is very rare that there is any reason to care about Venom. Raimi wanted to go for a character driven movie, which with the baddies in the Spiderman universe, would of worked. Many of Spidey's enemies are normal guys, who with another break, could have ended up heroes. What Raimi did with Doc Oc in Spider-Man 2 was a great example of this. I think if the studio hadn't interfered with the Sandman, while not my favorite villain, it would have been a good movie.

Empire made the point, that with this reboot, it will have only been 10 years since we last saw Parker's origins. as nearly everyone already knows the basics (Uncle Ben, radioactive spider, etc) this really dulls my interest in the next movie. I don't want another origin story.

[dell71]

Here is the basic timeline of Batman:

May 1939 - First real story involving Batman, basically a detective with little remorse for killing.

April 1940 - Robin introduced, Batman fleshed out to be more "campy".

1969 - O'Neil and Adams start to distance themselves from the "campy" nature.

So you are saying that because for 1 year in the first 30 years of Batman's history he was dark, he was always this "Dark Knight" he is made to be today?

What I'm saying is that the best of Batman has historically come when those in charge explored the character's darker side.

Again, heroes can be changed an reimagined. They always are and movies go along with that. When audiences want campy, they get it. When audiences want dark, they get it. When audiences want to see Nazis and Communists beat up, they even get that, too.

True

Spiderman is no different. Take an ordinary guy who through some weird twist of fate, starts to get stronger and faster. He takes it for granted and at a very immature time, loses his father figure in his uncle. He has to deal with his growing need for revenge along with his changing physical nature. You can make it dark, not super dark of course, but you can make it more realistic. Marvel has done it with it's characters already in a lot of the Ultimate series.

Spidey has had darker portions of his history, as well. It just so happens that he is a character who works best when you can mix that dark stuff in but still keep it more light-hearted. Imho, Raimi's trilogy has perfectly captured that, even the crappy #3. I thought the biggest problem with #3 was that it simply tried to do way too much. Trying to fit the Sandman origin, the entire Venom saga, the Hobgoblin story and the Peter/Mary Jane rom-com all into one movie was just overkill and made it a convoluted mess with a truncated finish after a really long buildup.

People act like Batman is the only one who can be dark and realistic, but Batman isn't realistic in the least. None of these are. None of them are so groundbreaking and revolutionary that they cannot be repeated with great writing.

Agreed, but if you're gonna change the tone of a character nearly everyone is familiar with that writing had better be great.

X3 premise was good but they screwed up with production blunders almost from the beginning. I thought there was enough that it wasnt awful and a decent watch. Maybe I need to watch it again only saw it in the theaters.

It was horrible. Like Spidey 3, it just tried to do way too much. I went in ready to see the Phoenix saga played out before my eyes. What I got was the Cliff Notes version, with a lot of other crap thrown in. IIRC, this took about a year or so to play out in the comics and had both great action and great themes which seemed to fit the direction of the franchise after the first two movies. The Last Stand, as it was fittingly named, was made to dazzle your eyes but was ultimately empty popcorn fare whereas its predecessors gave us something to chew on.

Wolverine origins I thought was bad.

Meh...thought it was better than The Last Stand

Havent seen Drag..heard it was fantastic.. But it supposedly also mixes in some campiness. Hes obviously an immensely talented director ,its his writing I question. Certainly seems to be great at writing that genre.

I thought DMTH was great and yes it does mix in some camp. That's his style but he usually does well with it (see the Evil Dead series, if you haven't, plus Darkman).

His dislike for Venom cost the franchise IMO. From what I recall he was against it from day one and avoided the Venom/Eddie Brock story as much as he could.

Did he dislike Venom or was he simply not wanting Venom in that particular movie? Either way, it turned out crappy so I guess it doesn't matter.

What everyone forgets is that over time the Venom story became very confusing, and essentially pointless. Carnage is a shallow character, the symbiotes are an easy cop out for Spider Man writers and it is very rare that there is any reason to care about Venom. Raimi wanted to go for a character driven movie, which with the baddies in the Spiderman universe, would of worked. Many of Spidey's enemies are normal guys, who with another break, could have ended up heroes. What Raimi did with Doc Oc in Spider-Man 2 was a great example of this. I think if the studio hadn't interfered with the Sandman, while not my favorite villain, it would have been a good movie.

You make good points, except that there is enough there for either Venom or Carnage to make a character driven movie. You can stay faithful to the characters without telling the story exactly as it is in the comics. You just have to make sure the changes you make are good ones, ie organic webs for our hero over the retardness of having to make it every few days.

Empire made the point, that with this reboot, it will have only been 10 years since we last saw Parker's origins. as nearly everyone already knows the basics (Uncle Ben, radioactive spider, etc) this really dulls my interest in the next movie. I don't want another origin story.

I'll reiterate the point I already made here. By that time, your interest may not be that great but there will be lots of little boys with little to no knowledge of Raimi's trilogy. Either that or they'll have seen them on TV and can't wait for the new Spider-man movie without all the hang ups about which direction the character is going in.

[Sean]

Marc Webb director of 500 days of Summer has been confirmed as the new Spider-Man director

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8998

[Archbomber]

How can you not like Iron Man?!

Robert Downey Jr. is an excellent actor.

[stevsta]

Umm...What? Burton's batman movies don't hold a candle to Nolan's.

Uhhhhh he said keaton was a better batman never said batman was better than the Batman DN

[stevsta]

Exactly. Batman started out as a killer...

uhhhhhhhhhhhh really damn i must of read the wrong comics never really read one where he shanked the bitches

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

I wanna see them put together the big show... liek at the end of Hulk when Stark says they are putting together a team. That is a movie I would watch forever, I own all the comic book movies on blu-ray Id buy a collectors edition regardless of any cost if that movie gets done.

[Goober]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh really damn i must of read the wrong comics never really read one where he shanked the bitches

Are you fucking retarded? When Batman was created he started out as a killer.