Buttered Popcorn: Buzzmans Movie Review Thread Part II

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  • Buzzman
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 6659

    #16
    Only God Forgives (2013)



    Only God Forgives feels a lot more close to Refns’s previous work than Drive did. I understand the expectations here were that this was going to be Drive 2.0 since Gosling came along for the ride again, but his films have always been these weird little experiments. This film is no different and gets back to what he loves doing. I wish I could’ve said that wasn’t necessary a bad thing, but Only God Forgives falls flat on its face in the worst way possible.

    This film follows Julian (Ryan Gosling), a drug dealer, who seeks out revenge after his brother is murdered. That’s as simple as I can describe it based on what I saw. I wish I would have seen more but the film decides to take this plot and put it together through a combination of experimental shots that ultimately feel empty. Many scenes go several minutes without dialogue and very little movement, but you are supposed to gain something from it simply based on the setup of the shot. That can be effective when you do it a few times, but to do it for ninety minutes straight is just frustrating. I have no idea what’s going on inside the minds of these characters because they don’t speak nor do anything. I usually love the silent protagonist that does a lot with less, but you cannot make every character in your film that way and expect the audience to continue watching. Throw in some confusing edits of hallucinations and long karaoke scenes and you got yourself a real stinker.

    Concerning the violence real quick; beforehand and even after its release, everyone has mentioned this film as a mere excuse to show brutal violence and I couldn’t disagree more. The violence mainly consists of cutaway shots right before the blood starts spraying or an overlook well after the act has occurred. I have seen far worse and I don’t understand where this conception comes from with this film.

    Getting back on track, the films visual and edits are presented in a way that sets it up as one big metaphor, but I don’t buy it and even so, it’s poorly done. These long slow pointless shots have to stand for something right? Everyone has their own interpretation, but mine revolves around Julian seeking forgiveness for his sins from God himself (Vithaya Pansringarm). It’s a very out-there theory that relies on very little dialogue that could very well by lies from this characters mouth. Even so, I think the film does a piss poor job in presenting this, and I might get heat for saying it requires too much thinking, but you shouldn’t need to research and write an essay to possibly understand the film without making an entertaining film first. I still feel like I’m clueless to some extent on this, but due to the repetitive nature of the film, I don’t feel the need to look any further than I’ve gone.

    Ryan Gosling as Julian is a complete misfire. The brooding silent character just doesn’t feel like it has any weight to it this time around. He gives no indication to what’s going on in his head, leaving the audience feeling clueless. It’s very disappointing. Kristen Scott Thomas as his mother Crystal gets the bulk of the films dialogue, but her nasty, selfish, bitchy attitude never quite clicks because there is nothing to bounce off of. Her remarks are never met with response to make them as impactful as they would have liked. The films true lead, Vithaya Pansringarm, plays Chang, the cop partly responsible for the brothers’ murder. He is a one note character that feels slowly spoken dialogue and body movement creates tension, but he feels stuck in slow motion. He’s borderline unwatchable, along with the rest of the film. These actors never stood a chance, but what they tried to deliver fucking sucked.

    I wanted to love this film, but after the initial buzz, I just wanted not to hate it. That didn’t happen. I think this film invokes an interesting discussion, but not at the cost of having to watch it. It’s just too sloppy to earn that kind of time from its viewers. I hope this film disappears quickly, never to be heard of again. It’ll be for the better.


    Overall Score: 2/10

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    • Bomberooski
      #GoHawks
      • Feb 2009
      • 10474

      #17
      Well that's a major bummer...
      I give rep not thanks
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      • Palooza
        Au Revoir, Shoshanna
        • Feb 2009
        • 14265

        #18
        I watched 30 minutes of it and the only way I can explain it is that it's to Drive as A Glimpse Inside The Mind of Charles Swan III is to any Wes Anderson movie. Total bastardization of Refn's own style.

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        • Buzzman
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 6659

          #19
          The Conjuring (2013)



          This is a supernatural horror film so fans of the genre know the usual tropes and clichés that are to be expected with this kind of genre. This isn’t groundbreaking at all, but its biggest advantage is the films decision to avoid the found footage aspect and shoot it as a straight up classic horror film. Gone are all the thoughts of how stupid these character are and questioning why a camera is always brought into every scene. It felt like a joy to go into the film knowing I wouldn’t have to deal with that crap.

          In a minor annoyance, the film begins with the “this is based on real events” bullshit. I never see the point of this crap but there must be some real dumb people who truly believe in this if they continue with this cliché. Aside from that, the film does a nice job of setting up the characters and this house for the events to come. These type of films usually tend to overstay their welcome with the introduction, but normally the characters suck, so I get bored when it’s just them. There is nothing special about this family, but I found them to interesting enough to actually enjoy the setup. When things start happening, the film creates some really tense scenes that rely less on shock and more on buildup. It does so by creating this creepy atmosphere and mixing in the cares. Sometimes nothing happens, other time, it happens right away, while finally it happens at the last moment. The constant change of pace helps keep the tension high. It is also a pleasant surprise to see the film actually land the ending. Far too often, these films abruptly end or try and dig into the demons past, but this one takes a safe but much better for it route. It rarely attempts to be flashy and comes away feeling extremely solid.

          The cast is really good (as a horror film, it’s even great). I don’t expect great acting, but the entire cast turned in fine work. Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga play the investigators as sorts and play it deadly serious without a hint of camp. Ron Livingston and Lili Taylor play the parents and are asked to stretch a bit, but come away impressed. They could have made the film fall hard, but the urgency and fear inside them feels real. Lili Taylor in particular really was asked to do a lot, and I never felt like she whiffed in the slightest.

          I was really impressed with the Conjuring, but it doesn’t reinvent the genre, but its solid. That may sound like it isn’t really good, because it is, but it’s just been done so much before, I think it never reached its entire potential. It played it a bit safe and a few more risks might have made it great. As a horror film, it’s certainly worth a watch, we don’t get many good ones, so when anything of quality comes around, we should eat it up and embrace it because another certainly won’t be coming soon. It’s a genuinely scary movie theater experience that earns most of its scares.

          Overall Score: 7.5/10

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          • Palooza
            Au Revoir, Shoshanna
            • Feb 2009
            • 14265

            #20
            1. Watched the entirety of Only God Forgives. I couldn't really stand the style, but I dug the violence. Overall meh.

            2. I'm going to see Fruitvale Station tonight. Seen it yet?

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            • Palooza
              Au Revoir, Shoshanna
              • Feb 2009
              • 14265

              #21
              3. I will be seeing the To-Do List tomorrow, too. Found out on the CBB podcast that it's written and directed by Bill Hader's wife which is awesome because he is one of my favorite human beings on this planet.

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              • Buzzman
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 6659

                #22
                1. I enjoyed the violence of it all as well, but even then, some of the scenes went on way too long. The interrogation sequence near the end went on for about 5 minutes too long, and a lot of the major violence was either done off-screen and the aftermath is shown or its implied and cut away right before the deed is done. I thoguht Drive had just as much, if not more, violence.

                2. Yea, I'll throw up a review tonight.

                3. I really like Bill Hader too but what's funny is I really don;'t like him on SNL, but I think that's got a lot to do with that show being shit now, than him. I'd say he's my favorite part of The To Do List.

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                • Palooza
                  Au Revoir, Shoshanna
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 14265

                  #23
                  I agree, just look at the elevator scene of Drive to see how the mix of that style/violence/music works perfectly as opposed to it not working at all in Only God Forgives.

                  I gave up on SNL a while ago and thankfully he's moving on. He'll be a regular writer on the next season of South Park, which is absolutely fucking brilliant. He had been a consultant/guest writer but now he's a part of the staff. I think he's easily one of the funniest people alive.

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                  • dell71
                    Enter Sandman
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 23919

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Buzzman
                    The Conjuring (2013)
                    Glad to see you liked this one. I've been cautiously looking forward to it. Whenever I see established/known actors in a horror flick I tend to think they're just slumming for a paycheck and it's going to be crap.

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                    • Houston
                      Back home
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 21231

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Buzzman
                      In a minor annoyance, the film begins with the “this is based on real events” bullshit. I never see the point of this crap but there must be some real dumb people who truly believe in this if they continue with this cliché.
                      I realized a few years ago how people were getting away with that.

                      Take The Strangers from 2008....

                      1. When the director was a kid a stranger knocked on his door and asked for someone who didn't live there.
                      2. Soon after he found out that abandoned houses in his neighborhood had been robbed.
                      3. Keddie Murders
                      4. Charles Manson Murders

                      Throw those random un-connected events together and you officially got a "Based on a True Story" tag on your movie.

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                      • Buzzman
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 6659

                        #26
                        Fruitvale Station (2013)



                        This is a movie that is based on the incident involving Oscar Grant and his last day before he died. I am sure some of this was dramatized to some extent, but I never felt like it was being emotionally manipulative in a bad way. It certainly was, but I enjoyed them because it helped define and shape Oscar Grant as a character in a much better way than if they weren’t in included in the film. This film did a great job at avoiding all the problems I thought it could have and told a tale of a man who tragically died well before he should have, but not before telling you who Oscar Grant was as a person.

                        The film begins as any other day, but you as an audience member know better. The film’s opening shots show the real footage taken from the camera phone as the event took place. Doing so gives you a different set of eyes than Grant himself. The things he chooses to do on this day could have felt a bit tedious and slow but because we know of his tragic demise, the simple conversations and choices he makes all feel much more important and tangled in a web of emotions that you never really let sink in. The film does a great job of this because throughout the day you witness this character do things to take steps in the right direction and finally try and change him, but it’s a struggle. The struggles sink a little deeper with the use of clever and well placed flashbacks. I was a little worried this film would be a bit preachy or one sided, but it balances this character out very well and does the story justice.

                        The buildup is well done and good, but it would have been for nothing if they hadn’t nailed its conclusion. The moment the subway is mentioned, the film changes for the better. Simple tension is built on any kind of movement and interactions between the characters that keep you on the edge of your seat. When the climax is set in motion, the score becomes heart pounding and scares you. The situation is shot in a hectic manner where it felt so easily avoided, but one thing leads to another and before you know it, Oscar Grant is on the ground, shot and dying. Ryan Coogler had a hard task at making this as dramatic as it was because everyone knows the story’s end, but it was so just a fantastic sequence of events pieced together to make for an amazing thirty minute stretch.

                        Michael B Jordan has been on the brink of stardom for awhile now. He’s been great on TV and became known to many with Chronicle but Fruitvale Station will be his biggest achievement for a long time. He does a great job in the role and creates a character that you only get to know through one day of interactions, but he wears his emotions on his chest. He helps the characters tragedy feel justified and should wind up with an Oscar nomination at the very least. Octavia Spencer pulls in fine work as his mother, and it’s not until the very end that she finally gets to open up and create a character almost as tragic as Grant himself. This was always Jordan’s show, but Spencer’s composed but eventual blowup was great.

                        This is a film that very well could’ve have fallen into a trap of preachy one-sided material, but it presents a character in a normal light that makes him feel like any other guy. He’s done some bad things in his life, but like so many others, he wants to change; you want him to change. Then the all goes away in an instant and it really does make you think about yourself and where you’re headed. The film earns the right to ask that question, unlike some others. Despite a slow buildup, its final act is something worth your time alone. It’s a very good film.

                        Overall Score: 8/10

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                        • dell71
                          Enter Sandman
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 23919

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Buzzman
                          Michael B Jordan has been on the brink of stardom for awhile now. He’s been great on TV and became known to many with Chronicle but Fruitvale Station will be his biggest achievement for a long time. He does a great job in the role and creates a character that you only get to know through one day of interactions, but he wears his emotions on his chest. He helps the characters tragedy feel justified and should wind up with an Oscar nomination at the very least.
                          I like Jordan, and haven't seen this yet, but I'd be surprised if he gets a nod. It's not because I doubt how good he is, it's that movies & performances released this time of year tend to be overlooked when awards season rolls around. That is, unless you're a big blockbuster flick and getting noms in the technical categories. Most of the other nominations tend to go to movies released after Thanksgiving.

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                          • Palooza
                            Au Revoir, Shoshanna
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 14265

                            #28
                            Originally posted by dell71
                            I like Jordan, and haven't seen this yet, but I'd be surprised if he gets a nod. It's not because I doubt how good he is, it's that movies & performances released this time of year tend to be overlooked when awards season rolls around. That is, unless you're a big blockbuster flick and getting noms in the technical categories. Most of the other nominations tend to go to movies released after Thanksgiving.
                            I was totally on board with you, about to mention that I've said this before, comparing it to Martha Marcy May Marlene. HOWEVA, I recently found out this is a Weinstein movie, which I think is extremely important. If MBJ gets the buzz/hype/etc come fall/winter, I think Weinstein will go full court press for him.

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                            • Buzzman
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 6659

                              #29
                              Yea Harvey Weinstein wont let anything stop him when he puts his mind to something.

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                              • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                                Highwayman
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 15429

                                #30
                                Originally posted by dell71
                                I like Jordan, and haven't seen this yet, but I'd be surprised if he gets a nod. It's not because I doubt how good he is, it's that movies & performances released this time of year tend to be overlooked when awards season rolls around. That is, unless you're a big blockbuster flick and getting noms in the technical categories. Most of the other nominations tend to go to movies released after Thanksgiving.
                                That is often by design.

                                However, Jordan is gaining a lot of buzz to get a nod for his work in Fruitvale.

                                I can see it, especially if Big Harv gets on the promotion bandwagon for him. Fruitvale is not going to be seen by a ton of eyes this summer...but I think it'll regain some steam once its released on DVD/BR for the Academy to see.

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