Paul Walker Dead at 40 (Fast and Furious, Into the Blue)

[f16harm]

You can agree less damage is done to yourself and other people if your fluid loss happens at 20 mph, no?

Maybe, depends on many variables. They weren't surviving this wreck even at 60mph though. Lack of skid marks shows the loss of control was sudden. And impact and final state of the car shows it was hit directly in the side of the vehicle. Short of a full tubular roll cage, the impact would probably still be fatal as the car is designed to break apart. With a roll cage Rodas probably would have lived, Walker would be iffy as he'd have direct impact. That however doesn't rule out the immediate fire that started from the fluid. That's the devil in the details here. In this crash, they were probably dead on impact, but with a cage they probably would have been unconscious. However; the fire started and spread so quickly they would have never made it out. It would have been like a lot of airplane crashes. Most don't die from the crash, they die from the thousands of gallons of jet fuel that are stored in the bottom of the tube you are riding in that just broke apart an ignited.

My issue with the comments here are that people think they deserved to die because they were doing a high rate of speed, which to them means they were screwing off and deserve it. That's a fucking pitiful thing to say, first of all, and it's pretty uneducated as well when you have no clue about cars and performance. High performance cars are made to handle and travel at high speeds, it doesn't mean you are out of control or acting like a dick. 120mph in a Carrera GT probably feels like 60mph in a normal car. My '13 Shelby does 60mph in 1st gear, it's RPMs are 1600 at 80mph. It'll do close to 200MPH top speed. I could (but I don't) travel I-95 every day at 100mph and feel completely comfortable and in control and not be "screwing off" or putting anyone else in danger (before anyone says it, people constantly do 85-90mph between D.C. and Philly and they DON'T drive high performance cars). When shit breaks, everything goes out the window and a direct result is a clusterfuck.

If you want to see an instance where I may agree with some of you, then it would be the guy from Jackass (Ryan Dunn) who crashed his Porsche GT3 in West Chester. Drunk, high rate of speed late at night.

All of this is for naught though. The non-automotive men are not going to understand all of this, nor will it change their mind.

[f16harm]

Speaking of crashes...

Speaking of irrelevant and recycled over and over.

[PP]

Watch the TopGear review of this car. They said its hard to drive. Will be interesting to see what security cameras caught of the crash since it looks like some businesses in the area. Hopefully they had a couple pointed near this to see 1) Speed 2) another car racing etc.

[f16harm]

Watch the TopGear review of this car. They said its hard to drive. Will be interesting to see what security cameras caught of the crash since it looks like some businesses in the area. Hopefully they had a couple pointed near this to see 1) Speed 2) another car racing etc.

Yes, just like all SRT Vipers, it's a car that is known to be an unforgiving bitch, but it's still designed to handle better than an ordinary car.

Here was another fatal Carrera GT crash from a few years ago. Was at a race track rented out by a Ferrari Club. Owner was taking a prospective buyer for a ride and had to avoid a car coming out of the pits by mistake. Doesn't look as bad as Walker's does it? Still killed both. Wife was awarded $4.5 million from the track.

[Warner2BruceTD]

A bunch of words

They were out for a joyride in a car that they knew was having problems. And they still chose to push it to 120. And there was skid marks at the scene, so Mr. Professional Driver Automotive Man did lose control...probably because...wait for it...he was going too fast when whatever went wrong, did.

Don't think anybody thinks they deserved to die. My point, was i'm glad nobody was out walking a dog or taking a jog or driving in the other direction when these "automotive men" were recklessly doing NASCAR speeds on a public road. I mean, if i'm being honest I don't feel particularly bad for them because you sorta ask for it if you do what they did, but they didn't "deserve" to die.

I think your first paragraph is a bunch of bullshit, but playing along, if they die at 40mph, two things. One, i'd feel more remorse. Two, it tells me these shitty cars need to either be more safe, or not be street legal. But don't sit here and pretend the speed has nothing to do with it in order to justify your hobby. Obviously the risk factor for something like this expands exponentially the faster you go. Don't be dense.

[f16harm]

They were out for a joyride in a car that they knew was having problems. And they still chose to push it to 120. And there was skid marks at the scene, so Mr. Professional Driver Automotive Man did lose control...probably because...wait for it...he was going too fast when whatever went wrong, did.

Don't think anybody thinks they deserved to die. My point, was i'm glad nobody was out walking a dog or taking a jog or driving in the other direction when these "automotive men" were recklessly doing NASCAR speeds on a public road. I mean, if i'm being honest I don't feel particularly bad for them because you sorta ask for it if you do what they did, but they didn't "deserve" to die.

I think your first paragraph is a bunch of bullshit, but playing along, if they die at 40mph, two things. One, i'd feel more remorse. Two, it tells me these shitty cars need to either be more safe, or not be street legal. But don't sit here and pretend the speed has nothing to do with it to justify your hobby. Obviously the risk factor for something like this expands exponentially the faster you go. Don't be dense.

non-automotive guy gonna flash his vagina like a non-automotive guy.

Lemme guess, you're one of those people who says "SLOW DOWN!! There could be deer down this road!!" As if you going 30mph or 60mph determines the CHANCE probability that the deer jumps in front of you 30 feet in front of your car, or 130 feet. Amirite????

[FedEx227]

Grandma Warner over here driving like a pansy

[dell71]

Running Scared was my favorite movie of his.

This.

[Warner2BruceTD]

non-automotive guy gonna flash his vagina like a non-automotive guy.

Lemme guess, you're one of those people who says "SLOW DOWN!! There could be deer down this road!!" As if you going 30mph or 60mph determines the CHANCE probability that the deer jumps in front of you 30 feet in front of your car, or 130 feet. Amirite????

Umm, yes?

I am in fact the "vagina" who slows down to mitigate potential damage depending on conditions.

Probably because destroying my car, or worse, being wrapped around a tree in a ball of fire isn't something that interests me.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Grandma Warner over here driving like a pansy

gotta push it bro, can't control those mechanical failures, 20, 60, & 120 are the same

[f16harm]

Umm, yes?

I am in fact the "vagina" who slows down to mitigate potential damage depending on conditions.

Probably because destroying my car, or worse, being wrapped around a tree in a ball of fire isn't something that interests me.

Mr. Defensive Driver here is missing the point, like many other idiots who spout that line and theory do. The only time "slowing down" on a road to avoid a deer strike is effective is when you can see the deer in the distance and are planning for their movement. Otherwise, deer don't really know you are there, they don't plan their jump in front of your car, they just "go". So, the event is purely random and has no correlation to your speed. Wanna know your best defense move when a deer jumps out? Plow through it. Slamming on your breaks or swerving will lead to a higher probability of adverse outcome than simply hitting the animal and denting your car.

Then again, this is probably a terrible analogy to use as well, because judging by the Michigan Cop/Deer thread here a week or so ago, most of you don't understand fucking deer either!

[Houston]

"non-automotive guy"

[Primetime]

So it makes no difference what speed you're going if a deer jumps out 30 feet in front of you...hmmm

Let's test it out, you go 120, I'll go 20. I'll break safely to a stop, not even spilling a drink, while I laugh at the deer guts and damages to your car. See you out there.

[Warner2BruceTD]

So it makes no difference what speed you're going if a deer jumps out 30 feet in front of you...hmmm

Let's test it out, you go 120, I'll go 20. I'll break safely to a stop, not even spilling a drink, while I laugh at the deer guts and damages to your car. See you out there.

Serioulsy, how bad is f16harm here?

He lives in a world that observes different laws of physics.

[jms493]

BTW thread officially derailed. but please carry on!