[Spoilers] ASOIAF Book Readers GoT Show Discussion Thread

[NAHSTE]

I agree with all that. Would be a wrinkle in the show that isn't touched upon in the books. I'd be intrigued.

Yeah I don't think it changes much with Bronn's character. The way he leaves it with Tyrion in the books is essentially "bro, I'm made now. Got bigger fish to fry. Also, I'm not stupid enough to fight the Mountain. But even if I was, got too much of a good thing going on as it is."

Essentially the same thing, just the means he uses to become a knight can be construed more of a "betrayal" than in the books, where it's just that he had kinda outgrown his servitude to Tyrion. With Shae betraying him at the trial too, depending on how they play that, it might seem too much like Bronn turns his back on Tyrion.

[SethMode]

I have never been a big Stannis fan, outside of the occasional dry quip he makes, so I'm fine with his characterization. I think it will gradually get closer to the book as we get closer to him saving the Wall. He's just as gruff and quasi-dull as I remember him being in the book though, so far (been a while though).

Although admittedly, I'm fine with most of the characterizations in the show, and the combination of characters. The show would be 30 seasons long if they tried to do everything, and show-watchers already have a tough enough time keeping shit straight.

[Palooza]

after ASOS, Bronn gets some land, kills the guy who Cersei sends after him then names his son Tyrion.


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[NAHSTE]

I have never been a big Stannis fan, outside of the occasional dry quip he makes, so I'm fine with his characterization. I think it will gradually get closer to the book as we get closer to him saving the Wall. He's just as gruff and quasi-dull as I remember him being in the book though, so far (been a while though).

Although admittedly, I'm fine with most of the characterizations in the show, and the combination of characters. The show would be 30 seasons long if they tried to do everything, and show-watchers already have a tough enough time keeping shit straight.

Best Stannis material is the stuff with Jon at the wall, teaching Jon to make the hard decisions, how to rule, #etc.

[SethMode]

Best Stannis material is the stuff with Jon at the wall, teaching Jon to make the hard decisions, how to rule, #etc.

I agree, and that's the freshest stuff for me. I think as they tease that out (hopefully they do), it will win over some of the pro-Stannis book-reader camp.

[Palooza]

I was never a STANNIS IS THE MANNIS kind of guy, but I really, really enjoyed his stuff at the Wall. D&D have already stated iirc they aren't so fond of Stannis either. I'm a firm believer he doesn't make it out alive in tWoW. Regardless, I think they should have gone with his brother in law trying to give Stannis up to the Lannisters, not being burned for worshipping false idols. Something I can overlook because I am not too involved with Stannis outside of Davos and Mel.

[SethMode]

So, now that we've kicked off the first death, who do we have left this season as far as major/important characters? Ygritte, Oberyn, Sander (depending on who you ask), Lysa, and Tywin. Am I missing anyone?

[NAHSTE]

So, now that we've kicked off the first death, who do we have left this season as far as major/important characters? Ygritte, Oberyn, Sander (depending on who you ask), Lysa, and Tywin. Am I missing anyone?

Not a major death, but first I can recall that you missed -- and it depends on on how they go with the battle at Castle Black -- but in the books, I believe it's Donal Noye who gets the bad ass hero death where he takes out a giant and blocks the gate. In the show, since we haven't gotten to know Donal at all, they might go with Grenn to give it more emotional weight for the viewers? I'd say Edd too since he's had some memorable lines already, but we need him to fetch a block later.

[SethMode]

Forgot Balon too

Next season is going to be super interesting. I personally really enjoyed book 4, and think that it does a great job of building to some really interesting plots/subplots. But after the insanity of these past two seasons, I feel like people are going to have a tough time basically rebooting half of the cast. Obviously too, the play will be to mix Book 4 and 5, given the whole timeline thing.

[Palooza]

The 4th book is great at expanding the world we already know. Things start to move deeper into big picture territory.

This season is very juicy, it seems near impossible to muck it up. Next season is going to be a serious test.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I think NEXT season sets up perfectly for a nice little break...tons of shit happens this season...need to sit back and enjoy some character and plot building, especially if this season is setting up for home run after home run. Sooner or later, we gotta just get some guys on base.

[SethMode]

Question for you nerds:

Been chatting about some of this stuff with a friend while I listen to book 3 via Audible, and a question came to mind for me: did Roose order Ramsay to sack and burn Winterfell? I couldn't remember any discussion of repercussions, and obviously it worked out for Roose in the end, but considering his character seems to function almost 100% out of fear and looking for the best option, it seems odd that he would order such a HUGE backstab when it happened, considering Robb hadn't even betrayed Walder yet. Is there evidence that Roose had been looking to betray Stark from the beginning, just because he was prudent enough to know that at 16 he would fuck up? I mean, that is fairly obvious, but like I said, it seems safer to just bide one's time (which he kind of did anyway) than to basically go on the offensive.

I know that the Bolton's historically dislike the Starks, but let's be honest: Roose isn't into petty shit like that.

[Pitty]

Question for you nerds:

Been chatting about some of this stuff with a friend while I listen to book 3 via Audible, and a question came to mind for me: did Roose order Ramsay to sack and burn Winterfell? I couldn't remember any discussion of repercussions, and obviously it worked out for Roose in the end, but considering his character seems to function almost 100% out of fear and looking for the best option, it seems odd that he would order such a HUGE backstab when it happened, considering Robb hadn't even betrayed Walder yet. Is there evidence that Roose had been looking to betray Stark from the beginning, just because he was prudent enough to know that at 16 he would fuck up? I mean, that is fairly obvious, but like I said, it seems safer to just bide one's time (which he kind of did anyway) than to basically go on the offensive.

I know that the Bolton's historically dislike the Starks, but let's be honest: Roose isn't into petty shit like that.

I can't remember if it was ever made clear that it was Ramsay's or Roose's decision, although destroying the symbolic hold of the North certainly helps solidify Bolton's position. I think he was only looking to betray the Starks as soon as he was offered a hold over the North by the Lannisters.

[SethMode]

I can't remember if it was ever made clear that it was Ramsay's or Roose's decision, although destroying the symbolic hold of the North certainly helps solidify Bolton's position. I think he was only looking to betray the Starks as soon as he was offered a hold over the North by the Lannisters.

I wish there was some way to know what letters were headed to whom at what time. Because I doubt the Frey's were offered anything prior to Robb's fuck up. As for Bolton, it's easy to imagine that given his nature, Tywin thought it would be worth it to at least give it a shot. Worst case scenario, the raven could be intercepted or the message found, and it would sow mistrust. The thing I just don't get about Roose is, at the time that Winterfell was sacked, Robb was basically winning the war, so I don't see him making that order. Further, if it was Ramsay's decision, I feel that while it worked out, Roose would be too practical to not basically kill Ramsay as punishment. If Robb doesn't stick his dick in Jeyne and marry her, Roose could have been killed or at least severely punished thanks to Ramsay's sacking. I guess I just see him taking that into consideration after the fact, and not wanting to wait for Ramsay's next disturbing action that could potentially dick him over.

[Palooza]

I don't know, but my gut tells me Roose did not know, but in hindsight was grateful his bastard destroyed the heart of the north right before he stuck a knife through the heart of the king in the north. Although I do enjoy the Roose theories about him being hundreds of years old, I like to think that things kind of just fell perfectly in to place for him. Also, when looking for what the name of that theory was (Still didn't find it) I came across this - http://bryndenbfish.wordpress.com/20...ltons-treason/