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The Reds wouldn't do it but I would imagine it would take someone like Cueto/Volquez along with some of our dope prospects like Drew Stubbs, Chris Valaika, Yonder Alonso. I dunno. We have no reason to do it.
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Our team already made an offer for Halladay, so no point in posting that.
For Lee I think we are going to offer something like Happ, Donald and Taylor and maybe another propsect for him.
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For Halladay, I'd be willing to give up Javier Vazquez, Jordan Shafer and Yunel Escobar. That is the trade I posted in the Halladay thread 2 weeks ago, but given that Esco is now one of our better hitters, I'd like to hold off on dealing him.
That probably prevents a deal from getting done however because he's our best major league level trading chip.
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either bumgarner and 2 prospects or alderson and 3 to 4
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IMO Mets would have to give up...
Pelfrey, Holt, Fernando!
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Holt, Niese and Fernando!Originally posted by Nick MangoldComment
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And no doubt we'd tell them to fuck themselves. No team could ask for Heyward or Hanson with a straight face I'd think.
Not that this trade I offered is particularly good for Toronto, obviously Schafer sucks and Vazquez is old, but that's what we have to work with. There is no way either Heyward or Hanson would even come up in discussions, because no GM is stupid enough to think we'll even discuss those two.
Heyward is hitting .400 in AA right now and has an OPS of 1.280 in roughly 3 weeks. He's gonna be a .330/35/110 guy for the next 12 years.Last edited by NAHSTE; 07-27-2009, 01:52 PM.Comment
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When dealing for the best pitcher in baseball a team would probably have to give up there two best young prospects and more, and that is what the Blue Jays have been asking from every team. Now since the Braves dont need pitching then there is no chance of them doing this trade but if they were desperate for pitching then one if not both of them would have to be invlolved.Comment
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i think in order to get any of these guys the Red Sox are looking at Buchholz and then a combination of Anderson, Bowden, Reddick and more.
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thats what its gona take, theyre asking for bumgarner+alderson+ a lot more from the giants, basically all 4 of the phillies top prospects, and you think you wouldnt have to give up either of those 2 guys?
and lets not suck heywards dick and say heel be hitting .330/35/110 for the next 12 years before hes ever taken a ML ab
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You must not know about this guy.....#3 prospect in all of baseball, is hitting .400 in AA through 100 at bats and has an OPS of 1.280, which is almost unheard of.
Oh yeah, I forgot, he doesn't even turn 20 until next month. You are just being stupid or lying through your teeth if you are denying this guy's ability, and his projection as a legit #3 hitter in the majors.
And no matter what Toronto is asking for Halladay, he isn't worth what they are asking. If they asked for Heyward or Hanson they'd get laughed at and hung up on. Just because they are being ridiculous with their asking price to other teams doesn't mean that's what they'll actually get.
Why give up one of the best prospects in all of baseball for a 33 old pitcher who you only get for 1 year?
Not to mention, Heyward is rated higher than any player mentioned so far, as is Hanson, so yeah, I'd be willing to bet Toronto knows they are untouchable. Each of Phillies top 4 prospects < Hanson and Heyward.Last edited by NAHSTE; 07-27-2009, 07:31 PM.Comment
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Wren would offer nothing. Because he gave up every top prospect in various trades.Originally posted by ram29jackson
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This. Other than the two untouchables of course, all of our tradable chips are elsewhere (Neftali Feliz, Elvis Andrus, Jeff Locke, Tyler Flowers, etc.) so all we have left to trade is Escobar, Shafer and the two best prospects in baseball not named David Price, Colby Rasmuss or Matt Wieters.
Needless to say, we're done dealing.Comment
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But since Hanson is 22, already 5-1 in the big leagues, and Heyward is 19 and mashing in AA, their value is way too high to trade for an expensive 33 year old, as great as he is.
Face it young talent is too valuable in the current financial state of the game. Halladay is great, maybe the best at what he does, and on paper that trade might be even, but given that we control the rights of two of more talented young players (each are top 10 in baseball america) for 6 more years at a cheap price, there is no way they would be included.
Just ask Philadelphia what they thought of giving up any of their top prospects for Halladay. And Happ and Drabek aren't even considered to be as good as the top 2 young Braves were talking about.
It's all about value, and while you are right that not every prospect pans out, the chances are good that both of these players will, and if they do, it will be at a far cheaper rate and a far longer period of time than any team will get from trading for Halladay.
More than worth the risk IMO considering their current production and the fact that they are both <scout speak> "good bodies" </scout speak> , therefore low injury risks.Last edited by NAHSTE; 07-29-2009, 09:54 PM.Comment
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