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I'm tired of these leakings. Release the whole damn list already.
Whatever they were taking wasn't against the rules at that time. Baseball should have done a better job of banning and testing back then. Instead they turned the other way. If there is a pill or an injection out there you can take and it's not against your sports rules then why not take it?
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As for the list, it has to be a Union and MLB decision to release them. Although both parties probably want to just get it over with, there are about 90+ names on that list that don't want this list out. As such, they could easily sue once the list is out for lost wages, damages, and etc. because the test was said to be confidential and anonymous. The Union and MLB would promptly lose all of those cases because they clearly would have gone against the parameters of the test.
This is going to be a tough one. Do they come out with the list and take the big loss in court? Do they let it slowly leak out and take a big hit every other month or so? Either way, it is going to be interesting for a couple months.Comment
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Bullshit.
Few players would have the balls to say what he said when A-Rod was going through that shit knowing full well he was just as guilty.
I lost a lot of respect for him because of it. Shame, because he actually seemed to be a likable guy. But throwing someone under the bus for something you yourself did is shameless. That's why I'm so upfront about this. Had he just been another user, I wouldn't give a shit. Like has been said numerous times, the vast majority of the league was doing it.
He (and RSN) should have kept his fat mouth shut on the subject.
He's a fucking fraud because without the 'roids, he's just another random player. He probably wouldn't even be playing major league ball right now. But he's that much more of a fraud for lying about it.Last edited by Rayman; 07-30-2009, 02:03 PM.
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From a 2003 SI article:
Now, Major League Baseball will begin penalizing players for steroid use after learning that more than 5 percent of this year's tests came back positive.
Under baseball's labor contract that took effect on Sept. 30, 2002, testing with penalties begins after any season in which more than 5 percent of survey tests are positive. And from now on, players will be identified
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I agree with the bolded part but that could be for every player that has tested positive, Arod lied about using PEDs in an interview the year before as did Bonds, Sosa, Mcwire....the list could go on.
As for him throwing Arod under the bus, Idk I have always thought him and Arod were good friends. He was asked a question about steroid and what should baseball do about them and he said there should be a year suspension. Which he most likely said to make sure people didnt get suspicious of him.Comment
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In 1991 Fay Vincent sent out a memo to all team
"Commissioner Fay Vincent sent the clubs a memo in 1991 reminding them that players were forbidden from taking any illegal substance. He specifically mention steroids in the memo and encouraged the clubs to take a get-tough policy on players thought to be using steroids.
What could a team have done if it suspected a player of using steroids? Probably nothing.
Vincent simply wanted to be on the record as letting the clubs know that steroid use was against the rules and that they shouldn't be afraid to confront a player.
There was no testing for steroids until 2003 (after being part of the 2002 labor agreement).
The notion that Bonds wasn't breaking any rules is ridiculous. He was. He knew he was."
My lawyer friends might be able to add some insight to this, but this may well serve as a legal document of sorts. And it may indeed be some additional ammo for Bud Selig to go after Bonds and others.Comment
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As a Barry Bonds fan I can't tell you how happy this shit makes me. I don't even know why, maybe it's because every single person I ever ran into hated Bonds with a passion and acted like their favorite players or other players were not taking anything.
Bout time these guys get their names released.Comment
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I'm really having trouble understanding your point here. How does it NOT make him a douche if he's blatantly lying and trying to divert attention or suspicions from himself? He was asked a question surrounding the Arod allegations, and instead of saying "No comment" then, he elects to grandstand knowing full way that he's just as guilty.
If you found out a friend of yours was nailing some other dude's wife, and you ask another friend "Would you ever do that?" and he was like, "No way, I could never be friends with someone who did that" and you found out later that he was nailing YOUR wife, would you be as apologetic for your friend as you are being for Ortiz?
It's not a direct analogy obviously, but the point is, he's a douche.Last edited by SethMode; 07-30-2009, 02:29 PM.Comment
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I disagree, mainly because there is no proof that Bonds did or did not use steroids early on in his career. Just like there is no proof that David Ortiz did Steroids before or after 2003. But IMO when someone tests positive they automatically taint there whole Career. And I think this for everyone weather it be Bonds, Ortiz, Mcgwire, Manny, Arod, Palmeiro, Sosa, Clemens...etcComment
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OK, dude. I'm sorry. You've lost me here.
Ortiz does not at any point prior to his arrival in Boston, compare to any one of the guys you just mentioned. Not even close.
Bonds, A-Rod, Clemens, were all phenoms who were legitimate prospects and eventually legitimate All-Stars years before their suspected steroid use began.
Sosa and Palmeiro were no slouches, either.
McGwire? I guess you'd have to ask Canseco.
Ortiz was 28 years old, basically a useless player, and all of a sudden becomes this HR giant.
It just doesn't compare. The worst thing for him is that now, HE becomes the face of guys who achieved superstardom fraudulently, and will always be remembered as a flash in the pan.
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