Manny and Ortiz failed 2003 Drug Test

[Youk]

Today, Ortiz is no better than Ramirez or Rodriguez or Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens or Rafael Palmeiro, McGwire, Sosa, or Jason Giambi.

Ouch.

We knew it was coming. In my mind, A-Rod was the bigger surprise than Ortiz.

Papi says he wants to find out what he tested positive for and more information before he comments. In my mind, I hope it turns to be some bullshit thing, but we all know that its steroids. It makes you think "oh wow, that 2004 World Series is just bullshit", but they weren't the only team that had steroid users on them.

[DJ Fog]

Ortiz did roids?

Get the fuck out.

[Yawkey Way]

You can't call ortizes legacy completely tarnished yet because we do not yet know the specifics and we still have to see how well his damage control is. He's already started off well by sharing everything with the public right away and being pretty straightforward.

[DJ Fog]

What a shocker.... I wonder what's going through Ortiz's head.

"Fuck... I'm busted"

[Tailback U]

Ouch.

We knew it was coming. In my mind, A-Rod was the bigger surprise than Ortiz.

Papi says he wants to find out what he tested positive for and more information before he comments. In my mind, I hope it turns to be some bullshit thing, but we all know that its steroids. It makes you think "oh wow, that 2004 World Series is just bullshit", but they weren't the only team that had steroid users on them.

And Bonds wasn't the only one on roids when he was setting home run records.

Just sayin'.

[Senser81]

Yeah exactly. Ryan because his pitching coach the last few years admitted to taking steroids, plus Ryan was in Texas the no. 2 epicenter of steroids. So yeah.

Ryan's pitching coach said Ryan took steroids his last few years?

[Rayman]

Ryan's pitching coach said Ryan took steroids his last few years?

I think the pitching coach said he himself was taking roids.


Yeah, doesn't make much sense to me either.

[mgoblue2290]

I really don't see how anyone can hate Bonds for steroid use any more. Everyone was using them, EVERYONE. This is incredible how many of the big time players are coming out as PED users. I think the MLB is banking on Pujols, if he comes up dirty, the game's credibility is done.

Yup, if Pujols ever tests positive I'm done with baseball for good. Although I honestly believe if Pujols tested positive they'd just get rid of the evidence and never let it get out.

Even if everyone else was doing it, the homerun record should be back at 61. Wipe clean the all those steroid users accomplishments. They cheated, and it doesn't matter if everyone else was doing it, record should be 61.

[jeffx]

Question for you cats - I think we all agree Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod were HOFamers before they started juicing. If I was a baseball writer, I'd vote them in. Would you?

[FedEx227]

I think the pitching coach said he himself was taking roids.


Yeah, doesn't make much sense to me either.

Trust me, I'm not the only person with this theory.

http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?s=3295046

Former major league pitcher Tom House used steroids during his career and said performance-enhancing drugs were widespread in baseball in the 1960s and 1970s, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

House, perhaps best known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th home run ball in 1974 in the Atlanta Braves' bullpen, said he and several teammates used amphetamines, human growth hormone and "whatever steroid'' they could find in order to keep up with the competition.

"I pretty much popped everything cold turkey,'' House told the Chronicle in a story published Tuesday. "We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses. That was the '60s, when nobody knew. The good thing is, we know now. There's a lot more research and understanding.''

House, a former pitching coach with the Texas Rangers and co-founder of the National Pitching Association near San Diego, is one of the first players to describe steroid use as far back as the 1960s.

House became the pitching coach for the Texas Rangers in 1985, during which time he was notable for his work with Nolan Ryan. During Ryan's induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame on July 25, 1999, he credited House as a positive influence on his career, saying:

"While I was [with the Rangers] I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House. And Tom and I are of the same age and Tom is a coach that is always on the cutting edge. And I really enjoyed our association together and he would always come up with new training techniques that we would try and see how they would work in to my routine. And because of our friendship and Tom pushing me, I think I got in the best shape of my life during the years that I was with the Rangers."

I'm not saying for sure, but the culture of that late 80s early 90s Rangers was filled with steroids. It's not an indicement, it's just a possibility.

[Yawkey Way]

Question for you cats - I think we all agree Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod were HOFamers before they started juicing. If I was a baseball writer, I'd vote them in. Would you?

Yes i would.

[Rayman]

Trust me, I'm not the only person with this theory.

http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?s=3295046

I'm not saying for sure, but the culture of that late 80s early 90s Rangers was filled with steroids. It's not an indicement, it's just a possibility.

Def not saying I doubt you. Unlike many on this site, I actually believe in people who've built up credibility, and you've built some here.

There's definitely a possibility there.

[FedEx227]

I still think it's Rickey though. He seems like the most logical canddiate.

[Senser81]

Trust me, I'm not the only person with this theory.

http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?s=3295046

I'm not saying for sure, but the culture of that late 80s early 90s Rangers was filled with steroids. It's not an indicement, it's just a possibility.

That story is ridiculous. The first section mentions that House played for the Braves in the 1970's...when did Nolan Ryan pitch for the Braves? He spent most of the 70's with the Angels in the AL. The second section mentions House became the Rangers pitching coach in 1985....thats nice, but Ryan didn't pitch for the Rangers until 1989. LOL at the comment that House was notable for his work with Nolan Ryan...huh? Thats like saying Eric Mangini was notable for his work with Brett Favre.


I think Ryan was a good pitcher for a couple years with Texas before he got too old, but I don't really see any big uptick in his performance. He had arm problems in 1985 and 1986, but after that he basically pitched at the same level of performance from 1987-1991. I guess its possible, but I don't think the Tom House connection holds any water, and if he was on steroids with the Rangers, its weird that he wasn't any more or less effective than his last few years with the Astros.

[FedEx227]

The fuck are you talking about? I highly doubt Brett Favre will have a lot to say about Eric Mangini at his Hall of Fame induction...

During Ryan's induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame on July 25, 1999, he credited House as a positive influence on his career, saying:

"While I was [with the Rangers] I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House. And Tom and I are of the same age and Tom is a coach that is always on the cutting edge. And I really enjoyed our association together and he would always come up with new training techniques that we would try and see how they would work in to my routine. And because of our friendship and Tom pushing me, I think I got in the best shape of my life during the years that I was with the Rangers."

Yeah, what a ridiculous story. What an idiot I am.

You don't think a pitching coach for a team littered with steroid users wouldn't tell his aging veteran pitcher to at least try them out when he himself tried them out years earlier?

Is that really THAT wild of a story?