THE ANGELS WIN THE PENNANT!!! by acquiring Scott Kazmir.

[Yawkey Way]

Kazmir has been everything but stable in the last 3 years. I wouldn't make that bold of a statement.

[Chrispy]

I would laugh if the angels didnt even make the playoffs

[Sharkweather]

Maybe a change will do him good and he can get back to his old ways. If so, fuck L.A.

[Yawkey Way]

Texas will win the wildcard, you're argument is invalid.

you haven't said one thing to back up your original statement, therefore you're argument was/still is invalid.

[Chrispy]

When they do, the Yankees are fucked and so is whoever wins the central. Boston and Texas are the only teams that beat us.

nah the yankees will shine in the playoffs

[Yawkey Way]

who are your solid starters? Weaver...Lackey(Who is over30 and a free agent)..who else?

[Yawkey Way]

Joe Saunders cannot be considered "solid" until he compiles 3 "solid" seasons. He can have potential, but in no way shape or form can he be considered solid yet. Ervin Santana? Have you seen him this season? His ERA has been under 4.6 only twice in his career, and has had exactly one good season. Kazmir has only been able to top 200 innings once, and ever since then his strikeout numbers have declined and the rest of his numbers are inflating.

i don't see the solidness behind these guys. Young=/= solid.

[OKCL]

who are your solid starters? Weaver...Lackey(Who is over30 and a free agent)..who else?

Saunders..Santana..both allstars last season..Trevor Bell, Sean O'Sullivan, Matt Palmer(13-4 Combined)

meh, at first I didn't really like the trade at all. We had 4 reliable starters and pretty decent bullpen depth if guys like Arredondo and Jepsen could pull it together, but after another bad performance by Trevor Bell, it really gives us quite possibly the best 1-5 in the entire league, plus we could probably send one of our starters to the bullpen during the postseason to be that 6th and 7th inning guy because Oliver and Bulger are just not doing it this season.

[Yawkey Way]

Saunders..Santana..both allstars last season..Trevor Bell, Sean O'Sullivan, Matt Palmer(13-4 Combined)

meh, at first I didn't really like the trade at all. We had 4 reliable starters and pretty decent bullpen depth if guys like Arredondo and Jepsen could pull it together, but after another bad performance by Trevor Bell, it really gives us quite possibly the best 1-5 in the entire league, plus we could probably send one of our starters to the bullpen during the postseason to be that 6th and 7th inning guy because Oliver and Bulger are just not doing it this season.

Yeah for one season, then look at this season. I know Saunders is hurt but he hasn't put up good numbers. I have no problem with glen saying you have pitchers who are potentially good, but to say any of those guys are "solid" yet is borderline.

define what you mean by solid glen, it's a loose term.

[Yawkey Way]

Ervin Santana. 58-44 4.60ERA

Joe Saunders 42-22 4.37ERA

both guys are benefficiary of a good team, but they do produce wins. The numbers are not strong though.

A few other solid guys who come to mind, Lincecum, Lee, Josh Johnson, Roy Oswalt, Chris Carpenter, Brandon Webb, Matt Cain, C.C Sabathia, Jon Lester, Josh Beckett...

[OKCL]

Yeah for one season, then look at this season. I know Saunders is hurt but he hasn't put up good numbers. I have no problem with glen saying you have pitchers who are potentially good, but to say any of those guys are "solid" yet is borderline.

define what you mean by solid glen, it's a loose term.

But the thing is that Saunders isnt hurt anymore, in his last start, he was throwing in the mid 90s and he rarely even passed 90 when he was hurt. His command was there and his control was amazing, he's finally back to his old self. I'm not saying that any of these rookies are solid, I'm just saying that they've shown the potential to be a very good pitcher in the league one day, and with the pitching coaches on the Angels, they should have no problem reaching their full potential.

[Yawkey Way]

EDIT, those numbers are influenced with AAA stats, i need to re-do them

double edit, nvm i looked at it wrong.


and OKCL i agree they have potential, but i don't agree with glen proclaiming the Angels rotation solid/acting as if Kazmir is your savior.

[Yawkey Way]

And when you mentioned Chris Carpenter as "consistent" I couldn't stop laughing.

114-73 with a 3.91ERA fits your bill as solid. I can't stop laughing...

almost 7 strikeouts per 9 innings doesn't hurt either.

[Yawkey Way]

Josh Beckett 103-67 with a 3.76ERA

Jon Lester 37-15 with a 3.74ERA.


you were saying?

[Yawkey Way]

27 games over the last 3 seasons does..

Carpenter has pitched a ton over an entire career, and is back to healthy now. Therefore he was/is now again solid..