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  • Anthony
    In Brendan we trust.
    • Jun 2009
    • 5201

    Great Article on The Captain - Derek Jeter


    Derek Jeter soon will break Lou Gehrig's Yankee hit record, but it wasn't so long ago that even the perpetually-confident Jeter didn't believe anything like this was possible. Jeter, the Yankee shortstop now known as a great player, a great champion, struggled so much early in the minors he wondered if he had made a mistake choosing professional baseball.

    The skinny 18-year-old shortstop who was prone to errors and needed four hits on the final day of his first season to hoist his batting average over .200, called back home to Kalamazoo, Mich., most nights, sometimes in tears. He doubted he belonged, at least once telling a member of the Yankee organization, "I don't think I'm going to make it."

    "At one time," recalls Don Zomer, Jeter's coach at Kalamazoo Central High School, "I remember him saying, ‘The Yankees wasted a lot of their money.'"

    Seventeen years later, Jeter is a longtime star, the author of the "Flip Play" in the 2001 American League Division Series and the "Mr. November" homer in that year's World Series, countless jump-throws, the face-first dive into the Yankee Stadium stands against the Red Sox in 2004 that left his handsome face bloody. He's been on four World Series winners, played in the Fall Classic two other times and was named the 11th team captain in Yankee history back in 2003.

    In an organization that has produced more iconic players than any other in baseball, Jeter's name is up in lights alongside Gehrig, Ruth, Mantle, DiMaggio, Berra, Mattingly, Ford. Jeter likely will be the first player to reach 3,000 hits in pinstripes and, if you believe his kidding with team executive Gene Michael, perhaps join Pete Rose and Ty Cobb as the only players ever to reach 4,000.

    Jeter saw Michael in the clubhouse in Tampa during spring training of 2007 and shouted, "Stick, how long you think I can play?"
    Maybe as many as six more years, Michael answered.

    "I want to play 10," Jeter yelled.

    "I said you can't play short for 10 more years and Derek said he could DH later on," Michael says. "He's not that old (35) now and here he is, at Gehrig's record. Golly, just think. Three thousand hits? He might want 4,000. And nothing's out of his reach."
    ***

    When did the Yankees first believe Jeter would be a special player? The answer depends on who you ask.

    "He would have stood on his ear to learn something," Butterfield says. "There were a bunch of coaches there who felt the same way about him - that the tools were there and they would catch up to the work ethic. We knew right away the work ethic would be there a long time."


    Mark Newman, the Yankees' VP of baseball operations, believes it is 1994, the year Jeter soared through three levels of the minors, a rare feat.

    "He was fielding more consistently and hitting," Newman says. "His personality really became evident in that he was a really special guy in a group setting. Even older, college grad guys were drawn to him. He was 20 years old and that's when it all came together - he'd been through the adjustment of being away from his family, done all that work on defense. You really started to believe."

    To Bob Watson, the Yankees' GM in Jeter's rookie year of 1996, it was that season's Opening Day in Cleveland, a 7-1 victory over the powerhouse Indians. Dick Groch, the scout who watched Jeter in high school and signed him after the Yankees made him the sixth pick in the 1992 draft, agrees.

    "He made two or three good plays and hit a home run," Watson recalls. "Some kids, on their first day, make an error or two and things snowball. That didn't happen."

    "I vividly remember a back-to-the-infield catch," says Groch. "I remember thinking, ‘The Yankees recognize the treasure now.'"
    ***

    Jeter's rise is a story of hard work and an uncanny ability to forget about his mistakes, which many who have worked with him say is rare among teenage pros. His work ethic was evident as far back as high school, when, Zomer says, he sometimes had to turn off the lights in the school gym to get Jeter out of the batting cage. Often, after baseball practice, Zomer would ride by the high school field and see Jeter there with his mother, father and sister, taking extra ground balls.

    At first, however, "it was not easy," Newman says. "Everyone thinks of Derek now as the golden boy, the chosen one, but it was a struggle."

    Jeter signed his first pro contract on June 27, 1992, one day after his 18th birthday, and joined the Gulf Coast League Yankees. Gary Denbo, Jeter's first pro manager, recalls that teammates "used to make fun of Derek because he was so skinny. He only weighed about 160 pounds.

    "He had these high-top spikes - at the time they were in fashion in high school. His ankles were so skinny that even when he laced up his spikes, there was still space there so they kind of flapped around."

    On his first day, Jeter joined the team on a road trip and Denbo put him into both ends of a doubleheader and Jeter, who had struck out only once in his senior year of high school, whiffed "three or four times," says Denbo, now a player development consultant for the Yankees.


    Jeter had a high leg kick in his swing then. "People would not recognize him on video," Denbo says.

    But there were similarities to the Jeter of today, too. "We wanted our guys on-deck to be locked in on the pitcher," Denbo says. "He'd go there and be relaxed, looking into the stands, talking, like he does now. At the time, I didn't like that about him. But when he went to the plate, he really focused. It was impressive."

    At the end of Jeter's first season, the Yankees wanted him to play a few games at Single-A Greensboro, where he would start the next season. After a long, failure-filled season, Jeter "wasn't excited about going," Newman recalls. But he played well.
    From there, Jeter began soaring. "He listened and when you told him something, he could do it very fast," Denbo says. "It gave you hope he was going to be really good."

    In 1993, Jeter spent the entire season at Greensboro and made 56 errors. But he hit .295, which showed the Yankees that the fielding woes didn't cloud the rest of his game. Even with the errors, he was voted the league's best defensive shortstop by Baseball America.

    Still, there were voices in the organization who believed Jeter perhaps shouldn't be a shortstop. "Some folks thought he was a tall, gangly kid and that body wasn't made for shortstop and he'd have to be a center fielder," Newman says. "But any discussion about it didn't last five seconds. He could catch the ball and throw it accurately. And you usually can't find that kind of offense at that premium position."

    The next season, Jeter was so good after 69 games at high Single-A Tampa, the Yankees sent him to Double-A Albany-Colonie, where he hit .377 in about a five-week span. He was promoted to Triple-A and hit .349 in a little over a month. For the entire season, he made only 25 errors.

    In 1995, Jeter spent a few weeks in the majors subbing for an injured Tony Fernandez and hit .317 at Columbus. The Yankees were ready - almost - to make him their shortstop.

    Heading into the spring of '96 the organization had committed to giving Jeter the job, but Jeter had a so-so spring training, alarming some, although Joe Torre, Watson and those in player development were not among them.

    "I remember a conversation with Joe Torre in '96 where he told me that some people didn't think he was ready - he never told me who," Newman says. "But there was talk of trading Mariano (Rivera) for (Seattle shortstop) Felix Fermin.

    "Cooler heads prevailed. With all due respect to Felix, that's not something you'd want on your résumé. Imagine what our world looks like if that had happened."

    Watson says the Yankees were going to use Fernandez at second base, but Fernandez broke his elbow. If Fernandez had stayed healthy, there was the chance that "Jeter would've been looking over his shoulder and it would've given Mr. (George) Steinbrenner a real out if Jeter had gotten off to a bad start," Watson says. "With Fernandez out, Jeter could just play."

    On April 2, 1996, Jeter became the Yanks' 12th different Opening Day shortstop in the previous 15 years. He's missed only one opener since, when he was hurt in spring training in 2001 and Luis Sojo started.

    Jeter is now a 10-time All-Star, the kind of player coaches write letters to - Butterfield wrote Jeter after the 1996 season, applauding him for how poised he was on television, whether the Yanks won or lost.

    Jeter is also a teaching tool in Yankee player development. Sometimes, Newman will find a prospect with his head in his hands at his locker, despondent over poor play. Newman sits down and talks about the day a skinny 18-year-old needed four hits on the last day to get over .200, or the 56 errors. Sometimes they'll watch grainy video of Jeter's absurd leg kick, then switch to newer clips, like Jeter homering in the World Series.

    "There's huge power in the true example of how he got to where he is," Newman says. "It was tough, but he got through it."

    Last edited by Anthony; 09-06-2009, 10:16 AM.
  • Anthony
    In Brendan we trust.
    • Jun 2009
    • 5201

    #2
    Gehrig now has company.

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    • The Messenger
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 5063

      #3
      Originally posted by Lefty34
      Those people were right.

      Still a hell of a hitter, though. No question he is worthy of the HOF
      I'd take Jeter over any shortstop (not named Cal Ripken Jr.) that I've had the pleasure of watching during my lifetime. He's got 3 gold gloves and his range really isn't as bad as people make it out to be (mainly because everyone who doesn't love the Yankees hates the Yankees).

      You could say that he would have been better suited as a center fielder, but then he may have had to spend more seasons playing AAA because of Bernie (when Jeter came up as a SS, Bernie was just breaking out as a great CF) and you don't know what would've happened to his career because of that.


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      • stevsta
        ¿Que?
        • Oct 2008
        • 4670

        #4
        jeter is what i think about when i think professional athlete he is a great example for every athlete to follow
        RIP

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        • jms493
          Junior Member
          • Feb 2009
          • 11248

          #5
          So many people say he is a shitty short stop.......Ill take a shitty short stop then.

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          • Chrispy
            Needs a hobby
            • Dec 2008
            • 11403

            #6
            haha i dont care if hes bad at fielding, which he isnt really that bad, he is still one the greatest players to play major league baseball all time and he still has more years to come.

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            • Senser81
              VSN Poster of the Year
              • Feb 2009
              • 12804

              #7
              Originally posted by Lefty34
              He IS that bad, he really is. This is a quote from an article written about a panel of statisticians (along with Bill James and a few others) that met to discuss who the best and worst fielders are in baseball today:



              I'm not saying that Derek Jeter is a bad player or that his lack of defense makes him a worse player somehow. He is one of the best hitters to ever play the SS position, and certainly deserves a spot in the Hall when that time comes. It's just, if you're going to praise Derek Jeter, do it for the right reasons, and don't fool yourself into thinking he's any good at defense.
              Even though the Yankees can somehow consistently win with the least effective defensive player in the majors playing the most important defensive position...I would trust Baseball Info Solutions over what actually happens on the diamond.

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              • jeffx
                Member
                • Jun 2009
                • 3853

                #8
                Originally posted by redsox907
                good article and great cocksman.
                fixed. This dude bangs all the fine hoes, and even makes the bitches pay for their own parking. A true playa, and unlike A-Rod, Derek doesn't put his business in the street.

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                • Senser81
                  VSN Poster of the Year
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 12804

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Lefty34
                  Team Winning =/= Derek Jeter is good at defense. The retardedness of your logic there is bordering on unfathomable.
                  I think there is a large gap between Gold Glove winner, good at defense, bad at defense, and the least effective defensive player in the league regardless of position.

                  I take issue with some geek not even working for an MLB team claiming that Jeter is the least effective defensive player in the league at any position. Just the fact that Jeter has started at shortstop for so many years would lead you to believe that he can't be THAT bad, or else one of his managers would have moved him to a different position or had stopped playing him. On top of that, Jeter hasn't cost his team many wins with his atrocious fielding...unless your argument is that if the Yankees had Jack Wilson at SS they would have won the World Series 15 straight times, but the Yankees were stuck with Jeter.

                  Not saying that Jeter is a Gold Glover...not even saying that Jeter is good at defense...just saying that its virtually impossible for him to be the least effective defensive player in the league regardless of position.

                  Wipe the semen out of your ears and use your brain for once. Sheesh.

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                  • Senser81
                    VSN Poster of the Year
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 12804

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Lefty34
                    In what post did I insinuate that the Yankees would be a better team (i.e. they would win more games) if Jeter and his bad defense were not out on the field? When? Please, for the love of God show me where I said this.
                    Huh? I don't remember saying you "insinuated" anything. I honestly thought you'd be intelligent enough to understand my point...I guess I gave you too much credit.

                    My point is that if you've actually played baseball, you'd know that having the worst defensive player in baseball, regardless of position, playing shortstop for your team on a daily basis would make it impossible to win at a high level. LOL at your example of Adam Dunn and Manny Ramirez...those guys are corner outfielders, not shortstops. If Jeter was such a bad fielder, you'd think the Yankees would move him to LF, like teams did with Alfonso Soriano.

                    Originally posted by Lefty34
                    Adam Dunn and Manny Ramirez still play the field everyday, and those guys are atrocious at the defensive aspect of their respective positions.
                    And Dunn and Ramirez are more effective defensive players than Jeter? Uhh....

                    This is like Nukleopatra thinking Drew Brees is overrated, so he says "Drew Brees is the least effective player in the NFL"...then gets upset when people call him out.


                    Originally posted by Lefty34
                    Now there's more that goes into why some people (including morons not unlike yourself) overrate Jeter's defense to the extent that they do, but just because guys like Dunn, Manny and Jeter play positions on the field and have done so for a long while does not make them good fielders, it doesn't even make them average.
                    I see the semen is still clogging your ears. For the third time...the issue isn't "Jeter is overrated on defense" or "Jeter is average on defense". The issue is "Jeter is the least effective defensive player in baseball at any position".

                    Originally posted by Lefty34
                    How is it not possible? Because you disagree with "some geek" that watches more baseball than you? GMAB
                    Are you fucking kidding me??! It has nothing to do with my opinion...my point was that the Yankee organization and every manager Jeter has had disagrees with "some geek", because they continue to trot Jeter out at shortstop.
                    Last edited by Senser81; 09-11-2009, 06:57 AM.

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                    • Anthony
                      In Brendan we trust.
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 5201

                      #11
                      I'd take Alex Gonzalez over Derek Jeter. Wanna know why? Because Alex Gonzalez is great with the glove...

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                      • dave
                        Go the fuck outside
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 15492

                        #12
                        You are taking Senser way too seriously.
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                        • SethMode
                          Master of Mysticism
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 5754

                          #13
                          What I don't really understand is how Jeter can rank 22nd among MLB SS's, but at the same time be the least effective defensive player in the league?

                          And Lefty, why would you bring Dunn and Ramirez up? You defeat your own point talking about them. You use them as an example of bad fielders that play because they hit well. Senser challenged you on the point of whether you would consider them more effective in the field and you said:

                          No, you twit, I was pointing out that even though guys are atrocious defensively at their position doesn't mean they don't play or are moved automatically.
                          Shouldn't that be the end of the discussion? You yourself just agreed that there are less effective defensive players. I understand these guys all looked at a wealth of stats and whatever, but at the end of the day it's ludicrous to call Jeter the least effective defensive player in MLB. That can be either because any even remotely casual fan can name MUCH less effective defensive players, or because it's crazy to consider someone ranked higher than other players less effective than those players. Either way, it doesn't make any sense.

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                          • Senser81
                            VSN Poster of the Year
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 12804

                            #14
                            I love how the only on-topic response to Jeter being the least effective defensive player in baseball regardless of position is "So then take it up with the original guys that said it, not me."...yet he has no problem with spewing out anti-Jeter drivel.

                            Among the many things Lefty34 has yet to clarify, I still don't get how a corner outfielder like Adam Dunn is in any way comparable to a shortstop like Jeter. Again, if a team has a guy who is a good hitter but can't field, they usually stick him at LF/RF or 1B. It makes no sense to put him at SS. I don't understand why the Yankees would put a guy who is even less effective than Adam Dunn at SS, and also how the Yankees could continue to win at such a high level after doing so.

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                            • SethMode
                              Master of Mysticism
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 5754

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Lefty34
                              What the hell are you talking about? I didn't in any way concede that there are worse players than Jeter, only that there are other players in the league that are really bad defensively but play despite their defensive non-abilities because they can mash. Jeter is also one of those types of players, his defense just happens to be really really bad.
                              Okay so, are you willing to say then that Manny Ramirez and Adam Dunn are more effective defensive players than Jeter? And again, how is he the least effective overall defensive player in MLB if he's the 22nd best/worst defensive player at his own position, with people thus ranked under him?

                              And why are you so fired up about this? Did Jeter fuck your girlfriend or something? Did you really attack me as member of this group of "WELL SENSER SAID IT WASN'T TRUE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY TO THAT?"'s, just because you aren't making a clear point? The very statement that you quote and keep going back to is convoluted.
                              Last edited by SethMode; 09-18-2009, 01:01 PM.

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