Matt Holliday in New York?

[Chrispy]

Matt Holliday can only hope one of the New York franchises is willing to jump into the ring for his services, and the Mets could give him that wish.

According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Mets are one of the teams that will jump into the fray or the services of the current Cardinals star. A sticking point, of course, could be the spacious dimensions of Citi Field, but Holliday's line drive approach, and his ability to hit in St. Louis, where the dimensions aren't conducive to huge numbers, might provide some comfort. That and a fat offer.

ESPN Rumors

Should be interesting.

[tbuc]

He'll stay in St. Louis. Situation is way to perfect for him to leave, especially for a pitchers park like Citi.

+1

[Youk]

He'll stay in St. Louis. Situation is way to perfect for him to leave, especially for a pitchers park like Citi.

I half agree with this. I have no idea where he will go, but the Mets would have to really pay to get him to come to play for them. Why play for a team if you can't perform at your best for them?

Shame that the Mets announced they would not lower the wall heights, but hopefully that means it will attract some decent pitchers.

[MRN]

I really don't see us trading him, not after we gave up so much to get him.

[Sharkweather]

I really don't see us trading him, not after we gave up so much to get him.

His contract is up at the end of the year.

[MRN]

His contract is up at the end of the year.

Yeah, but we are gonna want him for the playoffs, why rent him and then not use him in the most important part of the year?

[celtsxpatsxsox]

Yeah, but we are gonna want him for the playoffs, why rent him and then not use him in the most important part of the year?

???

why wouldnt you have him in the playoffs?

There talking about when he becomes a Free Agent after the season.

[zack54attack]

Yeah, but we are gonna want him for the playoffs, why rent him and then not use him in the most important part of the year?

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I dont understand what you are talking about... Yeah, St. Louis gave up a lot for him. Better hope you guys win the WS with him and D-Ro. Because if not, and they both leave, that was a big waste.





He will end up in New York. I'm guessing with the yankees.

[strahanfan92]

I hope he stays..

This team would not be nearly as good with just Ludwick and Ankiel..

[mcstl25]

Yeah, but we are gonna want him for the playoffs, why rent him and then not use him in the most important part of the year?

Wow wow wow. And in another thread you insulted my baseball intelligence?

In my opinion, someone is going to have to blow Holliday out of the water to get him to leave St. Louis. Mets, Yankees, and Red Sox can definitely do that.

[Youk]

ESPN does this all the time. All their writers are New York, Boston, or LA fans so they make this stuff up out of nowhere. Like earlier this year Peter Gammons was going crazy that the Tigers were going to trade Cabrera to Boston and their manager just laughed at him. They do this all the time. The guy who wrote that is just a Mets fan who wants Holliday. "It would be tempting with a fat contract" Well the Marlins could offer fat contract to a get him. Pointless stuff from ESPN.

Someone's a bit butthurt at the fact no one loves Detroit.

The fact of the matter is that the Mets, Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, and Angles are some of the biggest spenders in the majors. The Marlins could offer him a huge contract, but what is more realistic, the Marlins offering a huge contract or a team from NY, LA, or the Red Sox?

By the way, the most recent, or a past, city of employment for some ESPN.com baseball writers:

Jayson Stark - Philadelphia
Buster Olney - New York
Keith Law - Toronto
Tim Kurkjian - Baltimore
Jerry Crasnick - Denver

Stop pulling bullshit out of your ass.

You missed the point. That article says that the big stadium or whatever and a fat contract could be appealing to Holliday. Well heres the thing, I could say the same thing about 28 other big league teams. Thats just what there writers do when they want a big player for their ballclub.

Like Gammons said the Tigers chances of trading Cabrera were extremely high if they were in last place and werent drawing crowds (tigers also had the majority of the tickets sold when he said that) and that those things would make the Tigers trade him to Boston and how close this deal is to reality! He makes it sound so legit to everybody. Then the Tigers manager comes out and says that Gammons has no idea what hes talking about and that Cabrera wouldnt be traded if the Tigers were 0-162. All writers do this!

Mitch Albom could take the report about Holliday and replace Mets with Tigers, and everything else would still be relevant because these articles are based off fanhood and no facts what so ever. Then people go crazy about how close the Mets are to landing him. Lol.

The Tigers come out and say that because if they admit it's true, then fans would be in an uproar. Don't flatter yourself by thinking you've got it down pat. What were the Red Sox looking for earlier this season? A 1B or 3B with power. Are the Red Sox willing to pay? Yes, they are. If the Tigers were cellar dwellers AGAIN, then they aren't going to just stand around not doing anything. Was it 100% that they'd trade him? No. Was it even 50%? Probably not, but it's Peter Fucking Gammons, with the sources he has hes not going to just pull something out of his ass like that.

[mobbdeep1122]

LMAO @ MRN

[Mogriffjr]

I don't think he'll leave STL...he definitely upped his value on the FA market and I believe his agent is boras...we'll see if the Mets will pony up the dough...I doubt it...they already have too much tied up into like 7 guys.

[Youk]

First off, your whole argument is based off of me calling you a dumbass and saying you pulled shit out of your ass about a Cabrera trade. My whole argument about pulling shit out of your ass was about saying ESPN writers make up rumors because they want to, but only for LA, Boston, and NY. Anyways, let's get this started.

Is this a joke? How are you going to sit there and say those things in the bold, then follow it up like that? You're telling me I know nothing about the Tigers and how they are run, but YOU do?

I never once said you have no idea about the Tigers. I said stop pulling bullshit out of your ass about thinking ESPN is making up rumors because they want their favorite teams to be better.

So if the Tigers underperformed again, are they going to unload Ordonez, Guillen, proven hitters who can help a contender, or a 26 year old slugger who they locked up 8 years?

Never said that they should, but the chances of it were not 0% if they Tigers were cellar dwellers again. With the extra pitching the Sox had, I'm pretty sure they could have put together an ok deal for the Tigers. There's never a GREAT deal when a superstar is involved. The Manny deal has worked out, but originally everyone thought the Sox took a huge offensive hit (which they have a little bit, but not much, comparing Manny's 2007 stats to Bay's 2009 stats).

The Tigers emptied their whole farm system for Cabrera, then signed him 8 years, you think they are going to turn him around in less than 2 years? ''Don't flatter yourself by thinking you've got it down pat''. You clearly dont know Mike Illitch there. ''dont pull shit out of your ass''.

Dumb fuck. I'm not even going to comment on this. I said it above, you like to place random quotes by people out of place so it seems like you've got the advantage.

Your contradict yourself more than Miami Flash. So the Tigers, a team with great young pieces in Verlander, Granderson, jackson, and Porcello, are going to trade Cabrera of all people to rebuild? Huh? Look at what your saying. Say Ordonez was being old Ordonez, and Guillen stayed heathy, when you look to rebuild mid season you trade veterans to contenders, ala Magglio and Guillen or Polanco. But you think they would dump Cabrera, you are so god damn ignorant!

I never said they WOULD trade Cabrera, but once again, I said it wasn't completely, absolutely going to happen.

So a team filled with talented young arms, a young franchise hitter, and quality veterans are going to REBUILD by trading the young players and keeping the old veterans?

We never discussed other trades they could have made. I never said they wouldn't trade anyone else.

You clearly have no idea what you say. And I thought Flash contradicted himself. With what you just said, I'm curious as to what you could do with a MLB team. Comedy right there.

YOU dont know a thing about managing a team, or rebuilding a team.

Really dude, a team with great young pieces in place with 3 quality veterans are to trade the Young kids? And rebuild with 30 somethings? Thats the recipe for success right there.

So if Boston was struggling, you'd trade Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Bay? And keep Martinez, Varitek, Lowell? Rebuild with them? Thats basically what you're saying.

First, Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Bay do not have huge contracts, by the way. Loweel and Varitek are the ones with the bigger contracts. That was not what I was saying at all. Where do I say they SHOULD trade Miggy? No where. Let's read that part of my post again. I'll highlight the key words so you can actually understand.

The Tigers come out and say that because if they admit it's true, then fans would be in an uproar. Don't flatter yourself by thinking you've got it down pat. What were the Red Sox looking for earlier this season? A 1B or 3B with power. Are the Red Sox willing to pay? Yes, they are. If the Tigers were cellar dwellers AGAIN, then they aren't going to just stand around not doing anything. Was it 100% that they'd trade him? No. Was it even 50%? Probably not, but it's Peter Fucking Gammons, with the sources he has hes not going to just pull something out of his ass like that.

Now, we can see in the first bold statement that I agree that the Red Sox would be willing to pay for a guy like Miggy, depending on what was asked for in return. In the second bold statement, I say that the Tigers wouldn't just stand pat and not do anything if they are cellar dwellers. This leaves open the possibility for old veterens to be traded, but no one specific is named. There goes another argument of yours. Statement number three shows that I never thought Miggy would be traded.


Next Big Thing said it right,

If it means anything, i remember clearly when that report first came out that they said miggy would only be traded if the tigers struggled the furst couple months b/c of his contract.

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He was telling you stop pulling shit out of ur ass about where the ESPN columnists are from dude.

By the way, you never touched on my original argument about you saying ESPN writers just make up rumors because they are all only fans of Boston, LA, and NY. Let's hear about that. You completely ignored it this time. I'll wait for you to get home off the school bus.

Thank you for pointing out the most important part.

(From a more recent post)

It only was my whole argument and 3/4 of my post. Not that important.

[Whatupdoe44]

Yeah, but we are gonna want him for the playoffs, why rent him and then not use him in the most important part of the year?

so sig worthy, easily the dumbest thing ive ever seen posted in the sports forums