McGwire Back in Baseball!

[MRN]

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091026&content_id=7555706&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

Fuck yeah baby. Glad to see him back with the Cardinals. Hopefully he can help some guys with there swing.

[USCChifan]

I hope he doesn't have to answer a question about him taking or not taking steroids, but it's inevitable. He'll be a good hitting coach for the Cardinals, and he has the best hitter in baseball to coach, Albert Pujols.

[DJ Fog]

I bet he's already researching what drug combos can be used to get around MLB regulations.

[MRN]

I bet he's already researching what drug combos can be used to get around MLB regulations.

Let's not turn this into a thread about him and steroids. He was a good hitter, we all know it.

[Sharkweather]

Yeah all those strike outs.... very good.

[Woy]

Despite the steroid allegiations, I'm a huge fan of McGwire, so I love this move.

[DJ Fog]

Let's not turn this into a thread about him and steroids. He was a good hitter, we all know it.

Yes, good hitter.

There are ton's of good hitters in baseball today.

[SHOGUN]

McGwire = coward.

He gets no love from me.

[Senser81]

Let's not turn this into a thread about him and steroids. He was a good hitter, we all know it.

Uh, then what should we turn this thread into? The cheatingest manager in MLB history (LaRussa) just hired the cheatingest player in MLB history (McGwire) to become his hitting coach? Seriously?!

Aren't hitting coaches supposed to be like Rod Carew...guys who hit .350 every year with 40 strikeouts? Not guys who hit .250 every year and struck out 150 times?

[FedEx227]

Well in a way, but great players have a harder time being coaches than average players. Most pitching coaches around the league were never great pitchers. Two of the best pitching coaches in the league were either subpar: Mike Maddux: 39-37, 4.05 ERA, 101 ERA+ or didn't even pitch in the majors, Dave Duncan.

Plus McGwire while not a great hitter was an OBP machine, so you could be bringing him in to improve some plate discipline as well.

I hate LaRuss and McGwire, but I'm just trying to make some sense of the move. Both are cheaters, liars and cowards.

[Senser81]

Well in a way, but great players have a harder time being coaches than average players. Most pitching coaches around the league were never great pitchers. Two of the best pitching coaches in the league were either subpar: Mike Maddux: 39-37, 4.05 ERA, 101 ERA+ or didn't even pitch in the majors, Dave Duncan.

Plus McGwire while not a great hitter was an OBP machine, so you could be bringing him in to improve some plate discipline as well.

Are you serious? Please tell me you are lying, or, once again, intentionally saying something stupid in hopes of getting people riled up for your radio show.

[FedEx227]

What have you decided to nitpick about my statement because you don't like Lefty now?

Rudy Jaramillo, largely consider one of the top hitting coaches in baseball didn't even play in the majors. 3 years in the minors.

Charley Lau, one of the more highly regarded hitting coaches of all time who was credited with helping George Brett and Frank Thomas among others: .255/.318/.365 career.

Also, can you cut the radio show crap? I honestly could give two shits if you listen to it or not. We get your schtick, you're a know it all internet tough guy... cool.

[Senser81]

What have you decided to nitpick about my statement because you don't like Lefty now?

Rudy Jaramillo, largely consider one of the top hitting coaches in baseball didn't even play in the majors. 3 years in the minors.

Charley Lau, one of the more highly regarded hitting coaches of all time who was credited with helping George Brett and Frank Thomas among others: .255/.318/.365 career.

Also, can you cut the radio show crap? I honestly could give two shits if you listen to it or not. We get your schtick, you're a know it all internet tough guy... cool.

Thats not my point at all. I am talking about the type of player McGwire was, and how that type of player probably wouldn't make the best coach. He was obviously talented/roided enough to excel without ever understanding the finer points of hitting. Your comparison to Charley Lau is laughable. Your comparison to Rudy Jaramillo completely misses the point.

Guys like Mike Maddux and Dave Duncan weren't superstars, but they made the most of their limited abilities by understanding the game. To lump Mark McGwire in with those two guys is beyond comprehension.

If you honestly "understand" this hire to the point that you can criticize me, would you agree that teams will now seek out Sammy Sosa and Dave Kingman to be their hitting coaches?

[FedEx227]

When did I ever say that?? I swear people at this fuckin site read what they want to hear:

Plus McGwire while not a great hitter was an OBP machine, so you could be bringing him in to improve some plate discipline as well.

I hate LaRuss and McGwire, but I'm just trying to make some sense of the move. Both are cheaters, liars and cowards.

Yup, that sounds like a hell of a ringing endorsement for the move. Where the FUCK did I say "I understand the move"? I said I'm trying to make sense of it, from LaRussa's standpoint. I don't know what the hell LaRussa is doing, I think it's a retarded move.

To your other point though I was just stating, no, most hitting coaches aren't .350 Rod Carew types.

They never struck out nearly as much as McGwire, but average-wise none of them were really good. A few over .280, Mattingly being one of the better in the group. Otherwise a lot of nobodies and subpar players.

[Senser81]

When did I ever say that?? I swear people at this fuckin site read what they want to hear:



Yup, that sounds like a hell of a ringing endorsement for the move. Where the FUCK did I say "I understand the move"? I said I'm trying to make sense of it, from LaRussa's standpoint. I don't know what the hell LaRussa is doing, I think it's a retarded move.

To your other point though I was just stating, no, most hitting coaches aren't .350 Rod Carew types.

They never struck out nearly as much as McGwire, but average-wise none of them were really good. A few over .280, Mattingly being one of the better in the group. Otherwise a lot of nobodies and subpar players.

How often did Mike Maddux strike out? :banghead:

This is like talking to a 1-year old. I would ASSUME that someone like Rudy Jaramillo has coaching experience...again, to compare Jaramillo's batting stats to McGwire's MAKES NO SENSE. What coaching experience does McGwire have?

I never said most hitting coaches are .350 Rod Carew types...I swear people at this site read what they want to hear. I said that aren't hitting coaches supposed to be the Rod Carew type of hitter, not the Mark McGwire type of hitter? In simple terms, if you were to hire a player with no coaching experience to be your batting instructor, wouldn't you hire Mark Grace instead of Sammy Sosa?

I don't understand any of your postings. Your paranoia and ability to wage a "multi-front" war reminds me of Hitler. Are you going to tell me now that most posters on this site aren't Hitler?