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The Mariners are cleaning up in this trade. I LOVE IT. Still lots of work for us to do but in Jack we trust.
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We easily have the best top of the rotation in Felix and Lee and top of the batting order in Ichiro and Figgins......The mariners are full of cheese.Comment
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Lincecum and Cain make a very good case but I'd still take Felix/Lee.
Our top of our rotation is beautiful, the rest of it is questionable. Is Morrow ready to step up and show what kind of pitcher he can be on a consistent basis? The Mariners still lack left hand pop. Hell, the Mariners lack pop all around. Picking up Nick Johnson to play 1b/dh to split with Branyan would be nice. The Mariners need a guy like Johnson with his OBP cause the Mariners have the worst eyes in the league.Comment
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I like this trade for the Phils, but I think the Mariners won overall. Getting Lee without giving up your top prospects can only be viewed as a win.
97.5 is surprisingly anti-this move for the Phils, bemoaning that if they want to play with the big dogs they have to spend the money to keep Lee, even if it's only for a year, and go for a World Series. This city drives me crazy sometimes. Hamels has a bad season and boom, they're ready to kick him out. That's all I hear: "Can you really trust Hamels to be a solid #2 guy!?" I don't know if he will, but my guess is that he'll bounce back. And the bonus is, if you get the guy that showed up 2 years ago, you have 2 aces, for a fraction of the money.Comment
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It's amazing. For as big a market and for being a sports crazed city, the sports radio here really blows. Most of the hosts are clueless.
It would've been great to keep Lee as well but I don't think it was possible money wise. Funny that Jamie Moyer's contract could've been what kept us from keeping Lee for this season. Ouch.
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I agree on all points, especially the Moyer one, although at the time I know why they did it. Although I wish Jamie would have just taken a year contract. Still, with the run support that guy gets, he gets like 9 or 10 wins a year (although no way he's in the starting rotation -- hopefully).
It was definitely money. They'd be what, in 160 million territory with Lee and Halladay? When they normally budget for 140 mil? I love how everyone is calling in to Schwartz and Mays and being like "What's 20 million in a billion dollar sport?" Come on now.Comment
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The Phils chances of re-signing Lee were close to zero, IMO.Originally posted by houtz
He wanted to test free agency and the Yankees called the Phils about him already, so you know they'll blow everyone out of the water with their offer as soon as he hits the market.
Rather than have Lee for one season and lose him, Amaro thought ahead and got the better pitcher and signed him for the next 4 years, plus getting prospects and money back.
I don't see how anyone can't like the deal.Comment
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A Toronto baseball columnist tweets that someone failed their physical.
Could be something, most likely it's nothing.We're hearing someone involved in the trade flunked their physical.
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One of the Seattle prospects fails the physical, nixing the Lee deal, keeping him on the Phillies for 2010.A Toronto baseball columnist tweets that someone failed their physical.
Could be something, most likely it's nothing.
/dream
Edit: Heard its Aumont.
Edit # 2: Nevermind on Aumont, read a tweet saying he passed as well.Last edited by mobbdeep1122; 12-16-2009, 01:35 PM.Comment
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Supposedly the Phils cant afford both Doc and Lee together so keep dreaming. ;)
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It'd be interesting to see some hard numbers on that fact. It's ALL you hear here, but yet, there's nothing really to corroborate it. If they're just sticking to a budge of 140k because that's "what they do" I can see the irritation on the part of the fans. Obviously, if the team would lose money you have to do that, but until something comes out that proves to me that that would be the case, I'll be a little miffed at the ownership for not going all in for a season with both.
I understand that they're trying to bolster their farm, and I get the concept and like the trade if they absolutely will lose money keeping Lee. But if they COULD keep him, I say you go for it, because who the crap knows who will pan out and who won't. Freaking Mike Piazza was like the last guy taken in the draft wasn't he? You never know with these baseball headcases.Comment
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Well, as per ESPN, it's done, just as speculated it would be. Honestly, I'm happy with it. Would Halladay/Lee give us a BETTER shot at a title? Yes. But this way we have a shot for the next 3+ years with arguably the best pitcher in baseball, and we made up some of our lost prospects.
I think one of the funniest Philly complaints I've heard about this is that we don't know what Halladay can do in the postseason and we're just the same team as we were before. Not because there isn't some merit to the latter (although very little I think -- lack of timely hitting killed us way more than our pitching staff did in the WS), but because I guarantee that these were the same people pissing and moaning about Amaro getting Lee when they really wanted Halladay. Now they have Halladay and people want Lee.
As a slightly unrelated note: it's AMAZING how huge the Phillies are now in this city. It's a baseball town, officially. The Eagles are on a tear and poised to make the playoffs, and the dominant story EVERYWHERE here has been baseball speculation. When was the last time that happened in Philadelphia during football season?Last edited by SethMode; 12-16-2009, 03:57 PM.Comment
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Here is Doc's news conference in Philly if you want to listen.
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