Should Mark McGwire get into the HOF?

[FirstTimer]

I do not think that McGwire should be in the HOF...however there are over 100 other players that are on that list who if their names are never released, have a chance to get into the HOF and it could only be because of steroids..

Fail.

McGwire isn't on that list because he retired before the tests were done.

[mcstl25]

Yes I do believe that McGwire deserves to be in the hall of fame based on the statistics that he put up during his career.

I can understand not wanting McGwire in the HOF for being associated with steroids. However, if he is left out for that reason then you should also want to leave out any major league player that has steroid implications, including Alex Rodriguez, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, and Manny Ramirez.

My opinion is as the years go on there will be less of an emphasis on the "steroid era" and more on how a player performed compared to others in his career (i.e., McGwire's numbers should be compared to Griffey, Bonds or Thomas, not Mays, Mantle or Ruth). Eventually, McGwire, Bonds, and Clemens will get into the hall, though it likely will not be for another 5-10 years. Both the Mitchell Report and the Anonymous Survey in 2003 provide evidence that a high percentage of MLB players were on steroids.

As another poster mentioned in this thread, there is a lot of gray area between who used and who didn't before mandatory testing was put into place. The only guys who we know for sure used are the ones that have a) tested positive, or b) admitted to it. There is a level of speculation involved with anyone else that is accused of being on steroids, even McGwire.

[FirstTimer]

Hey everyone....

Tell me how my azz tastes.

Mac admitted to using 'roids.

He cheated and did something illegal. Like I was saying all along....

No HOF for Mac.

[Senser81]

Hey everyone....

Tell me how my azz tastes.

Like brains.

[EmpireWF]

Hey everyone....

Tell me how my azz tastes.

Mac admitted to using 'roids.

He cheated and did something illegal. Like I was saying all along....

Who said differently?

[FirstTimer]

Who said differently?

People were trying to be fucking morons and at as though there was no "proof" he ever did them

[mcstl25]

Hey everyone....

Tell me how my azz tastes.

Mac admitted to using 'roids.

He cheated and did something illegal. Like I was saying all along....

No HOF for Mac.

As long as you agree no hall of fame for Bonds, Clemens, and Arod then I can't disagree with you.

[SuperKevin]

Not anymore

[FirstTimer]

As long as you agree no hall of fame for Bonds, Clemens, and Arod then I can't disagree with you.

Don't forget Manny.

But yes, I agree no HOF for all of them.

[FedEx227]

As long as you agree no hall of fame for Bonds, Clemens, and Arod then I can't disagree with you.

:jimshake:

[Senser81]

I've heard that McGwire came forward now because the Cardinals didn't want McGwire's steroid allegations to linger through Spring Training. But, does anyone think that the timing of McGwire's admission was linked to the recent HOF voting? As in McGwire saw that he currently had little support for the HOF so he thought this would be a way to garner more votes?

[FedEx227]

It's a number of different things I think.

1) It's mid-January, so of course it'll be phased out and overdone before ST kicks off.
2) Of course it's timing on HOF. McGwire isn't an idiot, he sees that voting is real spread out lately, so he can try to weasel in there.
3) It allows for a perfect "redeeming" storyline all damn year. McGwire comes out of his shell to help lead the Cardinals, blah blah blah.