Andre Dawson elected to HOF

[Senser81]

Amazing hitter for a few years, good run producer, really gaudy RBI numbers thanks to batting in a lineup with Manny, Thome, Vizquel, Lofton and had a ridiculous year for the White Sox in 1998.

None of which I believe was clean.

His HOF candidacy is something odd though. Statistically... he may be up there with a HOF just because of how good he was for those few years, but there's just no way... not with the shortness of his career and definitely not with the way he treated the media during his career.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...hing-for-joey/

What about Juan Gonzalez? That guy had several productive seasons, IIRC.

[FedEx227]

That's what I can't stand - not getting in because you didn't kiss the ass of a bunch of writers who never played the game. Forget the nice-guy shit, it should be about production on the field.

I agree, but the BBWA does the voting, so until then we're stuck with grizzly, old asses who won't vote for guys if they didn't give them an interview back in 1996.

[dell71]

Dell, give me a table on Albert Belle.

Not sure what you're looking for but see below.

Amazing hitter for a few years, good run producer, really gaudy RBI numbers thanks to batting in a lineup with Manny, Thome, Vizquel, Lofton and had a ridiculous year for the White Sox in 1998.

None of which I believe was clean.

His HOF candidacy is something odd though. Statistically... he may be up there with a HOF just because of how good he was for those few years, but there's just no way... not with the shortness of his career and definitely not with the way he treated the media during his career.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...hing-for-joey/

Pretty much sums it up. True, his 12 years equals Puckett and he put up borderline HOF #s but, he had no post season success (hit .230) and was a dick while Puckett was one of the sport's more lovable characters.

What about Juan Gonzalez? That guy had several productive seasons, IIRC.

Juan Gone didn't just have several productive seasons, he had a productive decade, hitting 40 HRs 5 times and winning 2 AL MVPs (1996 & '98). Injuries shut him down late in his career and left him with a borderline HOF resume as well. Then, he was named in the Mitchell report as "possibly" having been in the possession of steroids. Nothing definitive ever came out, but that combined with his bodybuilder physique sealed his fate, I'm sure.

I agree, but the BBWA does the voting, so until then we're stuck with grizzly, old asses who won't vote for guys if they didn't give them an interview back in 1996.

Somewhat but Belle is a bit of a special case in that anyone not named Albert Belle (or perhaps Gary Sheffield, Barry Bonds or Milton Bradley) thought he was absolutely and certifiably nuts.

Since I'm not quite sure what you're looking for on Albert Belle, I simply removed his first 2 seasons in which he played a combined 71 games, leaving his last 10 seasons to tell his story.


And for Juan Gonzalez, I've done a similar table to what I've done for Mattingly. This eliminates his first 2 seasons (49 total games) and illustrates his next 11 years then his last 4 years which are essentially his decline (starting with his return to Texas in 2002). Again, all averages are per 162 games. Note that from '02 on, he never appeared in more than 82 games, so while his averages didn't have the tremendous drop-off of Mattingly, his actual production did because he couldn't get on the field.

And another showing some gray ink/black ink stuff

[Warner2BruceTD]

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[FirstTimer]

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Because my thank whoring knows no bounds.

[dave]

I didn't write in this thread pre-bump, so I write now - Andre Dawson should have been admitted as a Montreal Expo, not a Chicago Cub.
Nothing against the Cubs, everyone (myself included) loves the Cubs ... but Dawson was an Expo first and foremost.

[Anthony]

I didn't write in this thread pre-bump, so I write now - Andre Dawson should have been admitted as a Montreal Expo, not a Chicago Cub.
Nothing against the Cubs, everyone (myself included) loves the Cubs ... but Dawson was an Expo first and foremost.

It was his decision. Not Dave's or the MLB.

[Youk]

It was his decision. Not Dave's or the MLB.

Actually it wasn't his decision. It was the Hall of Fame's decision. Ever since Wade Boggs was rumored to have a deal in his contract with Tampa Bay that said when he made the HOF, he would go in as a Devil Ray, the HOF decided that it would decide itself what team players would be inducted with.

Dawson did ask to go in as a Cub, but was actually denied by the HOF.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Baseball-Hall-of-Fame-denies-Andre-Dawson-Cubs-request-must-enter-as-Expo-012710

[Senser81]

Does anyone else miss the days of Lefty34?

[Warner2BruceTD]

Does anyone else miss the days of Lefty34?

To be fair, we ran him off, and I will take some 'credit' for that.

I would try to shoehorn the work 'geek' as many times as I could into my direct responses to him sometimes, just to tweak him and watch him go mental with a 5 paragraph retort.

There is a short list of about a half dozen posters I actively (yet subtly) troll around here, and he was one of them.

[Senser81]

To be fair, we ran him off, and I will take some 'credit' for that.

So MrBill was right...we DO troll posters off the board.