Most underrated player in baseball?

[FedEx227]

So baseball has advanced to the same degree as medicine in the last 100 years.

a·nal·o·gy   [uh-nal-uh-jee]
noun, plural -gies.

1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.
2. similarity or comparability: I see no analogy between your problem and mine.

[nflman2033]

Maybe, but there's not many front offices that DON'T employ MBAs these days.

Off the top of my head I can bet that Texas, San Diego, Boston (and now Chicago NL), Oakland, Seattle, Blue Jays and Tampa Bay are all teams that rarely, if ever worry about a players batting average.

Nice and how many world series championships do those organizations have since employing that strategy, I believe the answer is 2 and both from Boston.

[nflman2033]

a·nal·o·gy   [uh-nal-uh-jee]
noun, plural -gies.

1. a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.
2. similarity or comparability: I see no analogy between your problem and mine.

Right and how are baseball and medicine "like"?

[FedEx227]

Nice and how many world series championships do those organizations have since employing that strategy, I believe the answer is 2 and both from Boston.

You're right, in seven years teams of teams aggressively employing this strategy they have only won 2 championships and taken part in 6 World Series.

Awful.

[FedEx227]

Right and how are baseball and medicine "like"?

There were medical practices widely use for hundreds if not thousands of years that have since been debunked and are no longer used in favor of newer, better practices.

[nflman2033]

You're right, in seven years teams of teams aggressively employing this strategy they have only won 2 championships and taken part in 6 World Series.

Awful.

2/7 = 29%

That's some revolutionary shit right there

[FedEx227]

2/7 = 29%

That's some revolutionary shit right there

That's actually a really good number based of the relative amount of teams using it as aggressively as those that I listed (7-8), but yeah... total shit.

23% of the league accounting for 29% of the World Series victories in the past seven years is pretty large.

[nflman2033]

There were medical practices widely use for hundreds if not thousands of years that have since been debunked and are no longer used in favor of newer, better practices.

But you are comparing the use of leeches in medicine to batting average as if leeches were an outdated but still used form of medical care, as I said there is still an award given to the person with the highest Avg, last I checked they don't give out Nobel prizes for using obsolete technology in the medical field

[nflman2033]

That's actually a really good number based of the relative amount of teams using it as aggressively as those that I listed (7-8), but yeah... total shit.

23% of the league accounting for 29% of the World Series victories in the past seven years is pretty large.

But 70% of the winners don't employ the strategy. So its not like its leaps and bounds better

[FedEx227]

But you are comparing the use of leeches in medicine to batting average as if leeches were an outdated but still used form of medical care, as I said there is still an award given to the person with the highest Avg, last I checked they don't give out Nobel prizes for using obsolete technology in the medical field

Which is odd considering Bud Selig is usually on the cutting edge of innovation and change...

[FedEx227]

But 70% of the winners don't employ the strategy. So its not like its leaps and bounds better

But 73% of the league is in that 70% pool... again... RELATIVE.

[nflman2033]

But 73% of the league is in that 70% pool... again... RELATIVE.

Not saying its not relative, just not as overwhelming as you are making it out to be.

And again it is still one team making up 100% of the wins.

That team is a big market high budget team

[Warner2BruceTD]

But 70% of the winners don't employ the strategy. So its not like its leaps and bounds better

Let's be fair here. I have serious doubts that there is a single front office that does not value OBP or OPS over batting average these days.

That is not to say that every front office has fully embraced questionable stuff like FIP, BABIP, or my personal favorite trendy stat of the moment (not Ruben) SIERA. They may not have scratched it from the board, but nobody is relying on batting average anymore.

[FedEx227]

Exactly. Which is why I noted "aggressive" one being those that are all in on FIP, BABIP, etc. But 30/30 front offices value OBP and OPS over batting average.

[Warner2BruceTD]

As someone who is firmly planted in the middle when it comes to new vs old baseball stats (I think there are some great new stats, and there are some that I disregard. I think RBI is so overrated that it's now underrated), I think when it comes to batting average, all things being equal anyone would take the guy with the higher average. Der. A hit is better than a walk in almost any situation aside from bases empty.

I don't think the metrics crowd hates batting average. I think there is room on any team for a .330 hitter, even if he only walks 30 times per year (hi, Bill Madlock!).

But to argue OBP vs. batting average is just goofy. One weighs (almost) all of the ways to reach base, the other weights one way. I mean, c'mon.