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  • ThomasTomasz
    • Nov 2024

    #16
    Originally posted by Mogriffjr
    Beltran will be moved, that's almost a guarantee.

    From what I'm hearing from the boards, from Adam Rubin and beat writers, Reyes may NOT get dealt. Even now, there's talk of "possibly" dealing Wright, but that's just hearsay. For now, I put Reyes trade talk being 50/50. Beltran 99%, K-Rod around 75%.
    Very true. I was meaning to post this earlier but forgot, but here is what ESPN NY had on the take:

    Jose Reyes and David Wright have only worn New York Mets uniforms in their major league careers.

    That is highly likely to change next season. Yet it is not a foregone conclusion that Reyes is the one who will be gone. General manager Sandy Alderson instead may choose to deal Wright next offseason, a source familiar with the organization's thinking told ESPNNewYork.com.

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    "It will be a very ticklish situation because of what David has meant to the team for so long, but that's not a concern of Sandy," the source said. "There will be some capital there to spend on Reyes if they choose to go that direction. Now, he can't obviously get monster money. If Reyes wants monster money, no, the Mets won't keep him."

    Alderson has indicated he is likely to approach Reyes' agents before the trading deadline to gauge how much the shortstop may be seeking as a free agent. The GM also will listen to trade offers before July 31.

    "But it has to be a great deal" to trade Reyes at the deadline, the source predicted.

    The widespread public expectation has been Reyes is all but assured of getting traded at the deadline.

    But, the source said, the more likely scenario is for the Mets to complete the season with both Reyes and Wright. Then, if the Mets can re-sign Reyes to a deal of perhaps five years or less -- their hope is an unrealistic three years -- they may be able to come to an agreement next offseason. If not, they could offer Reyes arbitration and collect two draft picks, likely including a first-rounder.

    The new collective bargaining agreement may abolish first-round picks as compensation for losing a free agent, but the current agreement -- which expires Dec. 11 -- is expected to still govern free-agent compensation for next year's draft.

    "I think they'll go to him and they'll request a home-team discount," the source said. "He's got reasons to stay. The flights between New York and the Dominican are easy. He'd be the man. That's for sure, if that's what he wants."

    Reyes also has a home on Long Island and children in school.

    However, inking Reyes essentially would force the trading of Wright, according to the source. That's because after adding whatever Reyes commands to the 2012 salaries of Johan Santana ($24 million) and Jason Bay ($16 million), the source predicted the Mets will not have the means to retain Wright at $15 million as well.

    A Wright trade would be expected to occur during the offseason, not before the July 31 trade deadline. He is under the Mets' control for two more years, including a $16 million team option for 2013.

    One major obstacle, according to a source, would be convincing chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon that parting with Wright would be the prudent thing to do. He is said to have a strong regard for Wright, both on and off the field -- far more so than for Reyes.

    Said the source: "If they wanted to move Wright, there's no better time to move him than now, because there still will be teams out there thinking, 'Well, David Wright was sabotaged by the stadium. He's still a good player. He'd be a good fit where he doesn't have to be the guy,' which he's been here for so long. So they can get some return on Wright. Plus the fact that he has two years left on his deal, so you're not talking about long-term financial damage for any team that does pick him up."

    Was Fred Wilpon's comment to The New Yorker about Wright being a nice guy and very good player but not a superstar trying to prepare the fan base for the third baseman's departure? Not so, said the source, who called it "diarrhea of the mouth" rather than a calculated maneuver by the 74-year-old Wilpon.

    Meanwhile, all of this likely is playing into incoming minority partner David Einhorn's hands. If the Mets go through a rebuilding process or fans otherwise stay away because of the trading of one of the faces of the franchise -- whether it's Wright or Reyes -- that would be a further drag on revenue. And that would make it more difficult for the Wilpons to stave off Einhorn's future option to become majority owner.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/m...ory?id=6612729
    Either way, both players come with baggage. The Mets did not need Wright's back to go out. And with Reyes, I know that the leg injuries are in the past somewhat, but you've got to be realistic- Reyes is likely going to try to get a Carl Crawford deal. There is NO WAY I give that to a player that has not hit over 20 home runs, whose biggest asset is speed, is closing to 30 and who has had some leg issues.

    Reyes is a great talent, and I always enjoy watching him, and when healthy, he's one of the best leadoff guys in the game. But, there is no way I give him a $100 million deal.

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    • Mogriffjr
      aka Reece
      • Apr 2009
      • 2759

      #17
      Yeah that's the issue...

      I've been hanging around a lot of Met fans, and most give off the assumption that we could possibly get him for 6/100...which I'd sign for, because I just believe he's worth that and is a great talent.

      Thing is Mike Francessa said Reyes told him he wants Crawford money (but I believe he said he wants Crawford's contract). Now does that mean he wants 7 years? Not sure. Sandy isn't a believer in these long term deals as well...so maybe the most he'd dish out is 5 years I'd assume.

      The fanbase is HEAVY to keep Reyes. and I believe besides Wilpon, the team knows how valuable he is to this team. Reyes I believe wants to stay a Met as him and his family is stable here as well as him loving the organization and all. But it all comes down to money.

      I don't know what the Mets will do. The story with Wilpon saying the payroll would be below 100 mill would signify the Mets would likely deal Reyes but Sandy has been told the payroll would be more around 120 mill. That means Beltran= gone. K-rod gone. You can sign reyes and keep the payroll around that figure.
      Originally posted by Nick Mangold
      Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate.

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      • EmpireWF
        Giants in the Super Bowl
        • Mar 2009
        • 24082

        #18
        I'm a bit biased and I've watched him play since he was 20 years old, but I think whomever ends up signing Reyes is getting a great player to add to their line-up and a great shortstop.

        The ONLY hesitation on my part would be how long of a contract he wants. He'll be 29 years old next June and if he goes for one of those 6-8 year contracts....oh boy. I could definitely see a lot of teams shying away from getting into a deal where they'll have to pay a 35, 36 year old $15 million or more.

        Fuck the playoffs, if the Mets can find a way to keep Reyes long term, I'd consider 2011 a success (amidst all the other failures...but still).

        Mo would sign for a 6/100 deal right now...I'd need a bit more convincing because I don't think this team is close to contention within the next year or two. By the time I hope they are, he'd be 31 or 32 years old with two or three more years and all that money coming to him.

        But he's such a fun player to watch...


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        • Mogriffjr
          aka Reece
          • Apr 2009
          • 2759

          #19
          Originally posted by EmpireWF
          I'm a bit biased and I've watched him play since he was 20 years old, but I think whomever ends up signing Reyes is getting a great player to add to their line-up and a great shortstop.

          The ONLY hesitation on my part would be how long of a contract he wants. He'll be 29 years old next June and if he goes for one of those 6-8 year contracts....oh boy. I could definitely see a lot of teams shying away from getting into a deal where they'll have to pay a 35, 36 year old $15 million or more.

          Fuck the playoffs, if the Mets can find a way to keep Reyes long term, I'd consider 2011 a success (amidst all the other failures...but still).

          Mo would sign for a 6/100 deal right now...I'd need a bit more convincing because I don't think this team is close to contention within the next year or two. By the time I hope they are, he'd be 31 or 32 years old with two or three more years and all that money coming to him.

          But he's such a fun player to watch...
          I guess it's because I was using the Tulo contract as a basis...but it seems like Reyes agents rather compare players who do similar things like Reyes/Craw than position wise in Tulo/Reyes.

          I'ma bit weary giving him Crawford money...but I'ma afraid that maybe what could get him to stay...meh...

          Also this fucking Jason Bay is pissing me off, anyone want him...for free???
          Originally posted by Nick Mangold
          Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate.

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          • Ralnakor
            Junior Member
            • Apr 2009
            • 316

            #20
            Originally posted by Buzzman
            I would not want to be stuck with the contract he will want. It'd be like Carlos Guillen all over again.
            Knowing Dombrowski though, it's still possible he'd pay him that much if he could get him. He's the king of overpaying for players, then you just have to hope he comes close to living up to the contract he's handed. **Cough cough**Nate Robertson, Dontrelle Willis et al**cough cough**

            That would all hinge on whether he could get Reyes, or if Ilitch even wants to pursue it.

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            • EmpireWF
              Giants in the Super Bowl
              • Mar 2009
              • 24082

              #21
              If I had the option of paying Crawford or Reyes the money that Boston gave Crawford...it'd be Reyes 9 times out of 10. Their games are similar with the biggest exceptions being Reyes plays the more important position, excels at hitting lead off and has the history of leg issues.

              Probably a bigger risk, but IMO, a much bigger reward.

              You can find a left fielder who provides a lot of speed with even a little bit of pop in his bat or can hit for a good average...he wouldn't be worth $16 mil per. Not too often you can find a SS who can hit for double digit dingers, has the speed to steal 50 bases and have double digit triples while hitting close to .300 who happens to be a great fielder with a cannon for an arm. Of course, Reyes' main statistical problem over the years has been a sagging OBP, if that's what you go for.


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              • Sven Draconian
                Not a Scandanavian
                • Feb 2009
                • 1319

                #22
                From the Tigers perspective, Reyes could be the piece that puts us into the playoffs. That's worth quite a bit.

                Would I turn around and hand him a 7 year deal? Eh, not sure. You could let him walk and collect the draft picks. Assuing it takes a package of 3 prospects to get him, getting 2 draft picks back isn't a bad deal (IMO), assuming he gets us into the playoffs.

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                • EmpireWF
                  Giants in the Super Bowl
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 24082

                  #23
                  Originally posted by MVPete
                  Why would you add that as your third reason?
                  Meant in the way they're different...yeah, I see lol, wouldn't be a selling point.


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                  • moneyman255
                    Noob
                    • May 2011
                    • 374

                    #24
                    Brewers need a shortstop bad. We cannot be sending out Betancourt at SS every single day. Reyes would be a perfect fit, but we don't have anymore good prospects to really give. What would the Mets want in return for Reyes? I'm guessing it would have to be a couple good prospects considering they could just let him walk and get 2 picks for him down the road.

                    Any other SS that might be available at the trade deadline? If the Dodgers are out of the race, I could see them shipping out Rafael Furcal. He makes over 12 million this year and is doing pretty bad this season.

                    Yuniesky Betancourt: .226 AVG, 3 HR, 19 RBI, .255 OBP, .328 SLG, .583 OPS

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                    • Goober
                      Needs a hobby
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 12271

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Moneyman255
                      Brewers need a shortstop bad. We cannot be sending out Betancourt at SS every single day. Reyes would be a perfect fit, but we don't have anymore good prospects to really give. What would the Mets want in return for Reyes? I'm guessing it would have to be a couple good prospects considering they could just let him walk and get 2 picks for him down the road.

                      Any other SS that might be available at the trade deadline? If the Dodgers are out of the race, I could see them shipping out Rafael Furcal. He makes over 12 million this year and is doing pretty bad this season.

                      Yuniesky Betancourt: .226 AVG, 3 HR, 19 RBI, .255 OBP, .328 SLG, .583 OPS
                      Rafael Furcal and Jack Wilson seem like the most likely trade targets for Milwaukee.

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                      • moneyman255
                        Noob
                        • May 2011
                        • 374

                        #26
                        I would love adding Furcal, but I don't know if they would have the budget for him. If the Brewers would pick up his whole contract, I highly doubt it would cost a lot to get him.

                        This lineup would look pretty good though:

                        1. Furcal SS
                        2. Weeks 2B
                        3. Braun LF
                        4. Fielder 1B
                        5. Hart RF
                        6. McGehee 3B
                        7. Lucroy C
                        8. Pitcher
                        9. Morgan CF

                        Would love having another leadoff hitter at #9 because he could get on base for the top of the order.

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                        • ThomasTomasz
                          • Nov 2024

                          #27
                          The Dodgers had to get advances from their sponsors to make payroll for May. I have to imagine if someone wants Furcal and is willing to take the entire contract, they would just about give him away.

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                          • Mogriffjr
                            aka Reece
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 2759

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Moneyman255
                            Brewers need a shortstop bad. We cannot be sending out Betancourt at SS every single day. Reyes would be a perfect fit, but we don't have anymore good prospects to really give. What would the Mets want in return for Reyes? I'm guessing it would have to be a couple good prospects considering they could just let him walk and get 2 picks for him down the road.

                            Any other SS that might be available at the trade deadline? If the Dodgers are out of the race, I could see them shipping out Rafael Furcal. He makes over 12 million this year and is doing pretty bad this season.

                            Yuniesky Betancourt: .226 AVG, 3 HR, 19 RBI, .255 OBP, .328 SLG, .583 OPS
                            Brewers still gotta pay Prince...good luck trying to get Reyes...
                            Originally posted by Nick Mangold
                            Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate.

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                            • ThomasTomasz
                              • Nov 2024

                              #29
                              Here are some updates today courtesy of MLBTradeRumors.com. All credit to them.

                              In a radio appearance on the Mut & Merloni Show today, Peter Gammons noted the lack of top-quality arms available at this year's trade deadline. Gammons said a pitching-needy team like the Yankees would have to look at pitchers like Brett Myers or Edwin Jackson, while he shoots down the idea that Felix Hernandez, Francisco Liriano or any of the Athletics' young arms would be on the market. WEEI's Jerry Spar has the full transcript of Gammons' appearance here.
                              "You will not see a major move this year," Phillies GM Ruben Amaro tells Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com about his team's trade deadline plans. Amaro feels the Phils are already good enough to compete and it's just a matter of the club finding its peak form. He also notes that the team has very little payroll flexibility, but "for $170 MM-plus, we should be good enough to be a World Series contender.”
                              "Hideki Matsui's future is cloudy" with the A's, but the veteran may get one more stint of regular playing time to see if he can turn around his disappointing season. As Slusser notes, Matsui has been a better hitter in the second half of the season (a career .855 OPS after the All-Star break), but the team might not want to wait that long. I'd suggest Oakland could probably trade Matsui to a contender for a low-profile prospect rather than release him for nothing.

                              While the A's are struggling right now, "I don't see Billy Beane pulling the plug in early June no matter how many injuries they've absorbed, or even if Anderson does need Tommy John surgery." Slusser notes that "Josh Willingham's name is definitely out there" in terms of trade rumors.
                              The Yankees "don't want to release [Jorge Posada] at all," but they may be forced into such a move if Posada's hitting doesn't pick up by the All-Star Break, writes ESPNNewYork.com's Ian O'Connor. For now, there is no talk of a Posada release since the club wants to keep him on the roster until Derek Jeter reaches the 3000-hit plateau. Of course, baseball is the last thing on Posada's mind today as his 11-year-old son underwent his latest surgery to attempt to correct a birth defect in his skull. We at MLBTR send our best wishes to the entire Posada family.
                              Can the Mets afford the fan backlash that will come from trading Jose Reyes? Brian Costa of the Wall Street Journal asks the question, and also gets this interesting quote from author Vince Gennaro: "The odds that this is the new [Reyes] and that he's going to have a five-year run that even remotely resembles this are miniscule....But that's not where the fan base is going to come from. They're going to look at this as one more sign, if he gets dealt, of a lack of commitment by ownership."

                              The Mets may explore moving in the fences at Citi Field this winter, reports Adam Rubin of ESPNNewYork.com. “There’s always going to be a preferred class, whether it’s pitchers or hitters, in situations like this, but I want to make sure it’s a fair ballpark,” said GM Sandy Alderson.

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                              • FirstTimer
                                Freeman Error

                                • Feb 2009
                                • 18729

                                #30
                                I iwsh the Cub could trade some people like Zambrano, Kosuke, Soriano, etc but no one wants those contracts.

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