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  • ThomasTomasz
    • Nov 2024

    Athletics fire Geren, replace him with Melvin

    Billy Beane ordinarily isn’t one for drama, mid-season heaves or springtime alarm.

    And yet, as his Oakland Athletics drifted through Game 63, through nine consecutive losses and into last place in the AL West, it was Beane who struck the early blow against patience, malaise and, well, his manager, Bob Geren.

    In an early afternoon conference call from a hotel room in Chicago, next door to a room where new hire Bob Melvin was meeting with his new coaching staff and across town from where the team later would begin a four-game series against the White Sox, Beane said it was simply time.

    “The focus” of the season, Beane said, had drifted to Geren’s job status, which he believed was counterproductive to the club’s efforts to win games and become a factor in the AL West race.

    “I’ve been in the game long enough, you get a feel of the tone of what’s going on,” he said, later adding, “It certainly starts in the media. At some point it can gain some momentum and infiltrate other parts of the organization.”

    Then, he said, “You get a general sense there’s a right time to change the message of the guy who speaks to these guys every day and fills out the lineup card.”

    Melvin, he admitted, “Will inherit some of the challenges [Geren] had.”

    Geren, who once served as Beane’s best man, was fired Thursday morning after four-plus seasons, a decision Beane said he’d pondered for “a few weeks.” Melvin, the former manager of the Seattle Mariners and Arizona Diamondbacks and recently an adviser to Arizona’s president, replaces Geren for at least the remainder of the season.

    Only two weeks ago, amid a clubhouse that had become nearly as fouled as his offense, Geren possessed a managerial hand that was both “terrific” and “fantastic,” according to A’s owner Lew Wolff.

    And then the losses kept coming, and the disabled list kept growing, and the bats kept staggering, and Beane, whose taste in managers runs toward understated, pink-slipped one of his oldest friends. In a time for introspection around baseball – the Florida Marlins and Texas Rangers dismissed their hitting coaches a day earlier – Oakland decided it was time for change.

    There are two thoughts to be had here:

    One, the A’s aren’t going anywhere until they hit. They are the lowest-scoring team in the league, and for the fourth time in five years are in the American League’s bottom four. To a core that didn’t hit much last season, the A’s added David DeJesus(notes), Hideki Matsui(notes) and Josh Willingham(notes), and the offense ranks last in home runs and near last in batting average, on-base percentage and slugging.

    Two, the A’s aren’t going anywhere until they heal. Four starting pitchers – Brett Anderson(notes), Dallas Braden(notes), Brandon McCarthy(notes) and Tyson Ross(notes) – are on the disabled list. Closer Andrew Bailey(notes) only recently returned from the DL. While the club leads the league in ERA, its starters have a 6.00 ERA in June.

    There’s a third, actually, and it involves the general manager. The A’s haven’t had a winning record since 2006. They’ve finished higher than third in the division once in that time.

    In baseball’s sometimes-hopeless world of mid and small markets, the A’s have fallen behind the Tampa Bay Rays, Florida Marlins, San Diego Padres and, this season, the Cleveland Indians and Arizona Diamondbacks in the realm of occasional overachievers.

    Anchored at times by their market and a cold, cavernous, thinly populated ballpark, the A’s earned a reputation early in the last decade for doing more with less, primarily because of Beane’s cleverness. In recent years, they’ve done less with less, in part, yes, because of injury and, inherent to smaller payrolls, depth issues.

    Their 2011 payroll – about $67 million – is nearly $10 million more than it was in 2010 and ranks 21st out of 30 teams.

    Though spurned by free-agent third baseman Adrian Beltre(notes) last winter, the A’s were counting in part on what looked to be an improved lineup. Matsui has three home runs and is batting .209. DeJesus is batting .236. Willingham leads the club with 10 home runs and 39 RBIs, but incumbent third baseman Kevin Kouzmanoff(notes) was hitting .221 and was demoted to Triple-A.

    “It’s our responsibility to try and give them players they can win with,” Beane said.

    Whether he failed at that or not, he said, could not be determined yet, not in June, and not through all the injuries.

    While Melvin has a great reputation for connecting with his clubhouses – in Arizona he was affectionately known as “Bo-Mel” – the job here will be bigger than making nice with Brian Fuentes(notes), who three weeks ago called out Geren’s communication and in-game skills, and those who privately agreed with him.

    The A’s, banged up again, will need their good players to be good, and their infirmed players on the field. Otherwise, one Bob will look an awful lot like another.

    Meantime, there remain 99 games to play. The players would appear to have gotten their way. Beane has made a decision that had to have been difficult. The rest plays out on the field and in the standings, two blind spots for the A’s so far.

    “I don’t think there’s anybody in my position or on the field that wants to give up anything by June,” Beane said. “As far as making predictions to you, I don’t feel this is the right time to even consider that.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl..._change_060911
    A change had to be made, and at the very least, a competent manager was hired to take Geren's place. Still, the team needs to stay healthy.

    But, this article from Tim Brown makes a good point that I put in bold. Billy Beane has done nothing in the past five years, and on any other team it would have likely cost him has job by now. He's had trouble putting together a good offense to go with his pitching staff, and it's reached a head. I think it is time for him to go.
  • Warner2BruceTD
    2011 Poster Of The Year
    • Mar 2009
    • 26142

    #2
    Geren was a shit hire to begin with, but to be fair Oakland's lineup is putrid. Matsui has done nothing.

    I think the rotation is vastly overrated, too. Especially Braden. Anderson is meh. Gonzales is the best of the bunch.

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    • NAHSTE
      Probably owns the site
      • Feb 2009
      • 22233

      #3
      Wasn't Geren only hired because he was willing to be a front office puppet? Oh well, I guess he fell on the sword.

      I think Beane needs to look at himself because he's put together a pretty punchless ball club for yet the 4th or 5th straight year. The staff and bullpen were nice to start the year but they've been banged up a lot... Need to get some real position talent in that org. soon for me to continue to take Beane seriously as a GM.

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      • FedEx227
        Delivers
        • Mar 2009
        • 10454

        #4
        He was Beane's best man and was chosen over Ron Washington.

        So yeah, basically.
        VoicesofWrestling.com

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        • Warner2BruceTD
          2011 Poster Of The Year
          • Mar 2009
          • 26142

          #5
          Yeah, Beane loves yes men in the dugout who won't do all of those traditional things strategy wise that he frowns upon. Back when I read Moneyball, the person who came off badly more than anyone else was Art Howe. Beane would tear him an asshole for pinch hitting.

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          • NAHSTE
            Probably owns the site
            • Feb 2009
            • 22233

            #6
            I wish Frank Wren would tell our manager to stop fucking doing that type of shit sometimes. 50 games into his tenure and I've already lost count at how many leadoff hits we've squandered due to Fredi all of a sudden deciding it's time to MANAGE. So many failed hit and runs/caught stealings/sac bunts with so little reason for them.

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            • FedEx227
              Delivers
              • Mar 2009
              • 10454

              #7


              Gotta love it!
              VoicesofWrestling.com

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              • FUSE
                Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 1204

                #8
                As an A's fan hearing this yesterday was a early christmas prsent

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                • Warner2BruceTD
                  2011 Poster Of The Year
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 26142

                  #9
                  Last night, down 1-0 in the 6th inning, Giants got a leadoff double. With the 3-4-5 batters coming up, Bochy sac bunted the runner to third. Cueto struck out the next batter, and got out of the inning.

                  If Baker had done that, I would have woken up the neighbors.

                  You've got the man in scoring position already, with your three best hitters coming up, against a starter up near 100 pitches who they've seen 2 AB's already. Why give up an out? You've got three chances to get a single. Shit, maybe the first batter makes an out but ends up advancing the runner anyway. Plus, the Reds moved the IF in, so really the only way to score was either a deep fly ball or hit - but the hit would have worked without the sacrafice anyway!

                  I can maybe buy that in the 8th or 9th, but the 6th? Thinking too hard.

                  I don't know what this has to do with Beane, but whatever.

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                  • NAHSTE
                    Probably owns the site
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 22233

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                    Last night, down 1-0 in the 6th inning, Giants got a leadoff double. With the 3-4-5 batters coming up, Bochy sac bunted the runner to third. Cueto struck out the next batter, and got out of the inning.

                    If Baker had done that, I would have woken up the neighbors.

                    You've got the man in scoring position already, with your three best hitters coming up, against a starter up near 100 pitches who they've seen 2 AB's already. Why give up an out? You've got three chances to get a single. Shit, maybe the first batter makes an out but ends up advancing the runner anyway. Plus, the Reds moved the IF in, so really the only way to score was either a deep fly ball or hit - but the hit would have worked without the sacrafice anyway!

                    I can maybe buy that in the 8th or 9th, but the 6th? Thinking too hard.

                    I don't know what this has to do with Beane, but whatever.
                    Definitely. Three chances to hit a single > one chance to hit a sac fly. Especially when a ground out to the right side serves the same purpose as a sac bunt anyway.

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                    • ThomasTomasz
                      • Nov 2024

                      #11
                      Originally posted by NAHSTE
                      Wasn't Geren only hired because he was willing to be a front office puppet? Oh well, I guess he fell on the sword.

                      I think Beane needs to look at himself because he's put together a pretty punchless ball club for yet the 4th or 5th straight year. The staff and bullpen were nice to start the year but they've been banged up a lot... Need to get some real position talent in that org. soon for me to continue to take Beane seriously as a GM.
                      I think Beane should be gone, but I just remembered and looked it up.....in 2006 Wolff gave Beane a percentage of ownership in the team. While it wasn't big, that makes firing Beane a difficult task. Any other GM who has seen their team slip in the past five years, both major league performance and minor leagues, would be gone.

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                      • FUSE
                        Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 1204

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                        Last night, down 1-0 in the 6th inning, Giants got a leadoff double. With the 3-4-5 batters coming up, Bochy sac bunted the runner to third. Cueto struck out the next batter, and got out of the inning.

                        If Baker had done that, I would have woken up the neighbors.

                        You've got the man in scoring position already, with your three best hitters coming up, against a starter up near 100 pitches who they've seen 2 AB's already. Why give up an out? You've got three chances to get a single. Shit, maybe the first batter makes an out but ends up advancing the runner anyway. Plus, the Reds moved the IF in, so really the only way to score was either a deep fly ball or hit - but the hit would have worked without the sacrafice anyway!
                        Bochy did something retarded again last night. He had Cain pinch hit last night in like the 8th just to bunt. He had him pinch hit for Romo. I mean if your gonna use a pinch hitter use someone that can actually hit.

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                        • Lanteri
                          No longer a noob
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 2723

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Phantom26
                          Bochy did something retarded again last night. He had Cain pinch hit last night in like the 8th just to bunt. He had him pinch hit for Romo. I mean if your gonna use a pinch hitter use someone that can actually hit.
                          That's not really that bad of an idea though. Why waste an actual bench player if you're planning on bunting? Especially since pitchers tend to be competent in the art of sac bunting.

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                          • ThomasTomasz
                            • Nov 2024

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lanteri
                            That's not really that bad of an idea though. Why waste an actual bench player if you're planning on bunting? Especially since pitchers tend to be competent in the art of sac bunting.
                            Right, but unless the pitcher is a good hitter like Tom Glavine or Carlos Zambrano, you are basically telegraphing a bunt. Matt Cain, he who has a career .113 average, is not that pitcher.

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                            • Lanteri
                              No longer a noob
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 2723

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ThomasTomasz
                              Right, but unless the pitcher is a good hitter like Tom Glavine or Carlos Zambrano, you are basically telegraphing a bunt. Matt Cain, he who has a career .113 average, is not that pitcher.
                              Right, but in a sacrifice situation you're not trying to hide it, so telegraphing it doesn't matter.

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