Hmmm... Blue Jays cheating?

[EmpireWF]

But is the man in white still there?

The bullpen guys should have relayed to one of the guys in the clubhouse to go check out the guy in white up close, perhaps get photographic or video proof of his chicanery.

[NAHSTE]

How did Rogers Center all of a sudden become one of the top 5 HR parks in the last 50 years, with the visiting team batted ball HR% staying virtually the same?

If you want to chalk that up to the Jays becoming a power team, fine. But then you have to explain their road percentages remaining largely stagnant over the same period. If this was the second coming of the Bronx Bombers, the road data would jump, too.

Its hard to argue a lot of that math at the end of the article, especially when combined with the rest of this. It looks bad.

Or how about how Alex Gonzalez went from hitting 17 home runs in 350 at bats with the Blue Jays in 2010 to only hitting 16 total for Atlanta in the 600 at bats from 2010 and 2011 combined?

Or how about how Yunel Escobar saw his slugging jump from .284 to .356 after being traded to Toronto in 2010? This year his .822 OPS is nearly 150 points higher than his last two seasons in Atlanta.

Or you know, that Bautista guy.

[Chrispy]

Also LOL @ Yankees texting each other during games.

Where in the story does it say that?

Only part i see is Granderson got a text from another player. So...

[FedEx227]

Blue Jays +33HR at home in 2010

Lets compare.

Yankees +15 HR's at home
Reds +16 HR's at home
Brewers +18HR at home
Chi Sox +45HR at home
Dbacks +18HR at home
Phillies +22HR at home

....

That data is irrelevant if you don't take into account park factors for both teams.

Those teams are all + HR at home because they play in the most HR friendly ballparks in the majors.

[killgod]

And only one of those teams has been accused of having a guy in CF relaying signs. Maybe the other teams are cheating too, but nobody has said anything. They have about Toronto.

Again, stop fixating on the data.

The data (which is more proof than annoymous yankees rage) says hitting +33HR at home is not "abnormal"

You want me to stop "fixating on the data" because it supports the notion that this is nonsense.

How did Rogers Center all of a sudden become one of the top 5 HR parks in the last 50 years, with the visiting team batted ball HR% staying virtually the same?

If you want to chalk that up to the Jays becoming a power team, fine. But then you have to explain their road percentages remaining largely stagnant over the same period. If this was the second coming of the Bronx Bombers, the road data would jump, too.

Its hard to argue a lot of that math at the end of the article, especially when combined with the rest of this. It looks bad.

Lets look at some numbers and I'll use the Chicago White Sox and their +45HR home rate in the same OPS model applied to Toronto

OPS
Konerko 1.137/.831
Quinten .943/.690
Jones .919/.729
Beckham .748/.651

RUH ROH. DOUBLE IDENTITIES IN CHICAGO! LOOK FOR THE MAN IN WHITE!

[killgod]

The bullpen guys should have relayed to one of the guys in the clubhouse to go check out the guy in white up close, perhaps get photographic or video proof of his chicanery.

They were able to text Granderson, but not take a picture.


Guess those Relievers don't make enough to buy smartphones.

[Chrispy]

They were able to text Granderson, but not take a picture.


Guess those Relievers don't make enough to buy smartphones.

Where the fuck does it say Granderson got a text during the game?

Another of the players was so bothered by what he saw last year that he sent a text message to Yankees outfielder Curtis Granderson, telling him to look out for someone at Rogers Centre relaying signs. Granderson recently confirmed that he received that text and says he was looking from the bench during one game when he was serving as DH.

All it says is he got a text from a player and during one game he looked.

[killgod]

Where the fuck does it say Granderson got a text during the game?



All it says is he got a text from a player and during one game he looked.

I mis read when he got the fuckin txt. OK, sorry. Get over it sweetheart.

[PP]

Actually on second thought who cares its just the blujays.

[Chrispy]

I mis read when he got the fuckin txt. OK, sorry. Get over it sweetheart.

Well u said it twice, just trying to get the point across

[killgod]

Well u said it twice, just trying to get the point across

Relevant point is made. :davegrohl:

[Warner2BruceTD]

The data (which is more proof than annoymous yankees rage) says hitting +33HR at home is not "abnormal"

You want me to stop "fixating on the data" because it supports the notion that this is nonsense.



Lets look at some numbers and I'll use the Chicago White Sox and their +45HR home rate in the same OPS model applied to Toronto

OPS
Konerko 1.137/.831
Quinten .943/.690
Jones .919/.729
Beckham .748/.651

RUH ROH. DOUBLE IDENTITIES IN CHICAGO! LOOK FOR THE MAN IN WHITE!

But again, Comisky or US Cellular or whatever it is they call that place now is a notorious HR hitting park, and always has been. These splits are probably not all that abnormal.

Rogers only became a top HR park during this suspicious period in question, with batted ball HR% rates that simply do not add up or correspond with what the Jays have done on the road, and seven times the normal home/visitor deviation. I mean, that's a huge leap.

[NAHSTE]

More food for thought, here are the 2010 splits for Alex Gonzalez between Toronto and Atlanta.

Toronto: .259 BA, .296 OBP, .497 SLG, .793 OPS
Atlanta: .241 BA, .291 OBP, .386 SLG, .676 OPS


So Yunel gained 100 points in slugging and Sea Bass lost 100, within the same season. No wonder Yunel has "figured things out" so well in Toronto. Cheating fucks.

[killgod]

That data is irrelevant if you don't take into account park factors for both teams.

Those teams are all + HR at home because they play in the most HR friendly ballparks in the majors.

Rogers Centre certainly isn't unfriendly.

Jays Rank in HR at home
1990 - 1st
91 - 9th
92 - 4th
93 - 2nd
94 - 6th
95 - 13th
96 - 13th
97 - 21st
98 - 3rd
99 - 12th
2000 - 2nd
01 - 14th
02 - 5th
03 - 10th


It's not uncommon for the Blue Jays, who were not a very good team at all during this span other than 90-93, to hit many HR's at home.

If the team is playing to hit HR's they will hit them at home. This is not uncommon. For them to have a big + year like 2010 is no different than a big - year like 1997, especially when you factor in they have the best HR hitter in baseball. (which I guess is up for dispute with you guys despite hitting road HR's)

[killgod]

More food for thought, here are the 2010 splits for Alex Gonzalez between Toronto and Atlanta.

Toronto: .259 BA, .296 OBP, .497 SLG, .793 OPS
Atlanta: .241 BA, .291 OBP, .386 SLG, .676 OPS


So Yunel gained 100 points in slugging and Sea Bass lost 100, within the same season. No wonder Yunel has "figured things out" so well in Toronto. Cheating fucks.

turner field is a bottom 10 hitters park.

nah, this factor only applies one way, not the other.