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  • EmpireWF
    Giants in the Super Bowl
    • Mar 2009
    • 24082

    Mets Offseason Thread

    The Mets opening day payroll in April 2011 was over $140 million. GM Sandy Alderson has publicly said to expect the 2012 payroll to be in the $100-$110 million ballpark.

    Right now, here's how the salary structure stands entering next year…

    STARTERS
    1. LHP Johan Santana - Missed all of 2011 after shoulder surgery. Expected to be good to go next season. Will make $24 million (not including potential incentives) and is under contract for two additional years.

    2. RHP Mike Pelfrey - Very average year. Is eligible for arbitration again so chances are he will make over $6 million. Under team control through 2013.

    3. RHP R.A. Dickey - Had a good year. Will make $4.25 million and is under contract through 2013.

    4. LHP Jon Niese - Decent year. Under team control for about 4 more years. Will still make under $1 million.

    5. LHP Chris Capuano - Turned out to be a great signing. FREE AGENT. Figures to be a hot commodity on the open market. If he's interested in staying, could be out of the pen or rotation.

    6. RHP Dillon Gee - Under team control for about 5 more years.

    7. RHP Chris Young - Started great but injury cost him the season. FREE AGENT.

    ----Don't expect any massive overhauls of the rotation. The only issue could be if they deal Mike Pelfrey but I would consider that a longshot. It would be swell if they could get another ace or a legit #2 starter, but supply is low and the Mets don't figure to have enough money to compete with the big spenders this winter. Plus, I don't see them willing to deal the farm for anything right now. My guess is Santana, Pelfrey, Dickey, Niese and Gee make up the starting rotation to kick of 2012.-----

    BULLPEN

    -RHP Ryota Igarashi -- FREE AGENT
    -RHP D.J. Carrasco -- $1.2 Million entering his walk year
    -LHP Tim Byrdak -- $1 Million entering his walk year
    -RHP Miguel Batista -- FREE AGENT
    -RHP Jason Isranghausen -- FREE AGENT
    -RHP Taylor Buchholz -- Arbitration eligible
    -RHP Bobby Parnell -- Arbitration eligible
    -RHP Manny Acosta -- Arbitration eligible
    -RHP Pedro Beato -- Under team control for 4 more years…no longer rule 5 status (picked from BAL in 2011)

    -------Rough. No legit closer on the team so expect them to go elsewhere. Worst case scenario, they don't make a move and try Parnell again or closer by committeeitte with Beato. The pen needs work.----------


    LINE-UP

    -OF Jason Bay -- $16 million (with at least $19 million coming to him in 2013 & 2014)…my goodness what a bomb this signing turned out to be.
    -3B David Wright -- $15 million (he has a $16M team option/$1M buyout in 2013)…..will be tons of talk about the Mets listening to offers throughout next season
    -SS Jose Reyes -- FREE AGENT
    -OF Angel Pagan -- Arbitration eligible (Horrible year, I hope they go elsewhere for a CF)
    -C Ronny Paulino -- Arbitration eligible (I'd guess he's 50/50 to return)
    -OF Scott Hairston -- FREE AGENT
    -OF Willie Harris -- FREE AGENT
    -1B Ike Davis -- under team control for at least 4 more years (missed most of 2011 with ankle injury. Avoided surgery, figures to be ready for spring straining…I hope)
    -UTI Dan Murphy -- under team control through 2015 (had a good year with the bat, ended with an injury. His problem = no definitive position. Poor defense but he has a great bat)
    -C Josh Thole -- under team control for long time (do they have faith in him to be every day catcher…I don't know)
    -OF Lucas Duda -- under team control….
    -C Mike Nickeas -- under team control….(word is they'd like to get him up because he calls a great game)
    -IF Ruben Tejada -- under team control (figures to become starting SS if Reyes signs elsewhere)
    -IF Justin Turner -- under team control (probably a bench player)

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    Commitments at this point…
    -Santana $24M
    -Bay $18M
    -Wright $15M
    -Dickey $4M
    -Carrasco $1M
    -Byrdak $1M
    -Pelfrey $5M
    = just under $70 million is already spoken for. Add $5 mil for raises and other arbitration increases.

    If they are able to resign Reyes, add another $15M to that total, which means they'd have maybe $10-15 million to spend on a new center fielder, bullpen help/closer and perhaps a second baseman.


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    Estimated Opening Day Line-up (With & W/O Reyes)

    1. SS Jose Reyes
    2. CF Cheap Veteran Free Agent (the market is beyond terrible)
    3. 3B David Wright
    4. 1B Ike Davis
    5. LF Jason Bay
    6. 2B Daniel Murphy
    7. RF Lucas Duda
    8. C Josh Thole


    1. SS Ruben Tejada
    2. CF Cheap Veteran Free Agent
    3. 3B David Wright
    4. 1B Ike Davis
    5. LF Jason Bay
    6. 2B Daniel Murphy
    7. RF Lucas Duda
    8. C Josh Thole

    :shot: -- what a shitty line-up
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    Prospects in Play

    1. RHP Jenrry Mejia - Underwent Tommy John surgery after a few starts at AAA. Expected to be out of action until the middle of the 2012 season at best. If the arm holds up then, he will compete for a big league starting job in 2013.

    2. CF Kirk Nieuwenhuis - If he were healthy, the starting CF job would likely be his for the taking. But he's not. He underwent shoulder surgery a couple months back which ended his season at AAA. He will be 25-years old next summer so his window may be closing. Plus, some believe he projects to a corner OF spot.

    3. RHP Matt Harvey - The 2010 1st round pick did well in 12 starts at AA in his first pro season. Odds are he'll start 2012 there before earning a spot at AAA. Ultimately, he could be a September call-up. He should compete for a starting job in the bigs in 2013.

    4. RHP Jeurys Familia - He will be 22-years old entering 2012 and he too, had some success at AA in his third season with the organization. Known for his blazing fastball, he's working on his off-speed stuff. Similar to Harvey, he should start next year at AA and work his way to AAA. Depending on how he develops, they may be more inclined to use him out of the bullpen initially, probably in 2013

    5. SS Wilmer Flores - The 20-year old has been hyped for at least two years as the future stud SS for the Mets. He had a good enough 2011 at High A so his goal for 2012 will be to make it at Double-A. Barring an explosion somewhere along the line, if he progresses well enough, he could be on the big league radar by 2014.

    6. RHP Zach Wheeler - The 21-year old made 22 starts combined in the SF and NY High-A minor league squads. The organization may not want to rush him straight up to Double-A to start 2012, so I'll assume the goal is for him to play his way there by the All-Star break. He could make it to the bigs deep into the 2013 season with 2014 being more likely.

    Honorable Mentions: LHP Darin Gorski (24-year old had the best ERA in the organization out of Sinlge-A), OF Juan Lagares (22-year old tore through AA pitching in 38 games), RHP Colin McHugh (24-year old continued success in 2011, pitching well at AA despite not having electric stuff...is playing in the AFL right now), SS/2B Reese Havens (25-year old 2008 first round pick has not been able to stay healthy, but he hit well at Double-A in 2011), RHP Brad Holt (25-year old first round pick in 2008, has had subpar years the past two despite averaging almost 9 strikeouts per nine innings. Has made 33 starts at AA the past three years).

    As you can see…help is not on the way anytime soon.

    Didn't even mention 2011 first round pick OF Brandon Nimmo. He's a high school pick so figure if he can stay healthy and develop at all, he won't be at AA until 2013 at the earliest.

    If even 4 of the prospects mentioned can someday become big league contributors, I'd be satisfied.


  • Mogriffjr
    aka Reece
    • Apr 2009
    • 2759

    #2
    Couple things Empire

    PROSPECTS
    Flores has been playing 3B in the league he's playing in...so look out for a possible change to that position.

    Josh Satin has been playing LF, just trying to add to an overall versatility to the big league club.

    OF Juan Lagares continues to rake. He's a sleeper prospect to look out for this year.
    Originally posted by Nick Mangold
    Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate.

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    • EmpireWF
      Giants in the Super Bowl
      • Mar 2009
      • 24082

      #3
      Mets telling beat writers today official changes to Citi...

      The OF walls will be blue and the dimensions from Left to Right will be: 335-358-385-408-398-375-330.



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      • IamMedellin
        Everything Burns...
        • Nov 2008
        • 10910

        #4
        Originally posted by EmpireWF
        Mets telling beat writers today official changes to Citi...

        The OF walls will be blue and the dimensions from Left to Right will be: 335-358-385-408-398-375-330.
        blue walls Yes!!!

        I wonder if David Wright will slap on a hardhat n help move the fences in...




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        • Warner2BruceTD
          2011 Poster Of The Year
          • Mar 2009
          • 26142

          #5
          Originally posted by EmpireWF
          Mets telling beat writers today official changes to Citi...

          The OF walls will be blue and the dimensions from Left to Right will be: 335-358-385-408-398-375-330.

          Does anyone have home team HR statistics vs. road team HR statistics for Citi Field?

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          • EmpireWF
            Giants in the Super Bowl
            • Mar 2009
            • 24082

            #6
            Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
            Does anyone have home team HR statistics vs. road team HR statistics for Citi Field?
            Mets hit 50 HR last season at home.

            Visitors hit about 59 HR at Citi in 2011.



            From Adam Rubin...
            Mets would have hit about 81 more homers over three years with these dimensions. Opponents 70. According to Sandy Alderson.


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            • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
              Highwayman
              • Feb 2009
              • 15429

              #7
              Next season is going to be another unbearable one.

              No money to spend...and the money they are spending is tied up in scrubs and older injury prone players who have seen their best play.

              Need to shed some damn salary.

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              • Mogriffjr
                aka Reece
                • Apr 2009
                • 2759

                #8
                Mets gonna let reyes hit the market...pretty much with no contract in hand from Mets...then pretty much see what's out there for him...rumors are Mets won't go past 5 years...it's not looking good
                Originally posted by Nick Mangold
                Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate.

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                • EmpireWF
                  Giants in the Super Bowl
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 24082

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mogriffjr
                  Mets gonna let reyes hit the market...pretty much with no contract in hand from Mets...then pretty much see what's out there for him...rumors are Mets won't go past 5 years...it's not looking good
                  Even if Reyes has a string of 3-4 great, healthy seasons...there's no way I'd want them to offer him more than 5 years. It's way too much of a risk, especially considering they're already stuck with Bay's terrible contract. Point being, it's a huuuuge gamble.

                  They're not even in contention (on paper) in 2012 and likely 2013 so just move on and rebuild.


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                  • EmpireWF
                    Giants in the Super Bowl
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 24082

                    #10
                    This is pretty specific although I'll chalk it up to fantasy talk after hearing something generic (the Mets will listen to offers on Wright...or anyone for that matter).



                    “We will listen on Wright for sure,” a Mets official told me during the week. “We know we are not going to win it all in 2012. We have to hope the Phillies get old and we are in position to take advantage of that in 2013-14, and we have to figure out ways to speed the process to get there.”

                    In other words, if the Mets could find the young, defensive-oriented center fielder they crave plus an arm or two in exchange for Wright, they will seriously consider it.

                    The team the Mets are focusing upon the most is the Angels, who they know have had interest in Wright previously and, in Mike Trout and Peter Bourjos, have two young center fielders. The Angels will not move Trout, who made his major league debut at 19 last year and is seen as a five-tool cornerstone to their future.

                    But Bourjos is a possibility. Two different talent evaluators told me they thought Bourjos was one of the three best defensive center fielders in the majors last year. Bourjos, who turns 25 in March, also hit .271 with 12 homers and 22 steals. If the Mets are able to get Bourjos and one or two arms from a group that includes Tyler Chatwood, Garrett Richards and John Hellweg, it could be enticing because there also would be a significant amount of saved money for 2012 — take your pick if that ends up in ownerships’ pockets or reinvested in payroll.

                    Dealing a popular established player such as Wright for relative unknowns would be a hard sell to an already embittered Mets fans base — especially if it coincides with losing Reyes this offseason, as well.

                    However, officials who have worked with Mets general manager Sandy Alderson depict a leader unafraid to make unpopular decisions if he believes it will be in the long-term good of the team. It is clear that Alderson is trying to accumulate as much high-level, cost-certain talent as possible to build around as a way to gain both long-term financial flexibility and the ability to make trades from a storehouse of strength.
                    ----------

                    Also, Wally Backman will return to the organization and manage AAA Buffalo (after Single A Brooklyn in 2010 and Double A Binghamton last year).

                    He had a chance to join Davey Johnson in Washington but Davey told him he should stay with the Mets as it was 'in his best interests.'



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                    • EmpireWF
                      Giants in the Super Bowl
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 24082

                      #11
                      RHP Robert Carson, RHP Jeurys Familia, SS Wilmer Flores, 2B Reese Havens, OF Juan Lagares, OF Kirk Nieuwenhuis and OF Cesar Puello added to the 40-man roster.


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                      • EmpireWF
                        Giants in the Super Bowl
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 24082

                        #12
                        Mets signed RP Jon Rauch to a 1-year deal.

                        They signed RP Frank Francisco to a 2-year, $12 million deal.

                        They traded CF Angel Pagan to the Giants for CF Andres Torres and RP Ramon Ramirez.


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                        • Warner2BruceTD
                          2011 Poster Of The Year
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 26142

                          #13
                          Mets did great today. Ramon Ramirez is one of the most underrated players in baseball.

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                          • ThomasTomasz
                            • Nov 2024

                            #14
                            I too really like what they did today. They replaced Angel Pagan with a cheaper clone, as Andres Torres is older but has a similar game. Then, picked up three great arms for the bullpen, which will be needed to help the rotation, and Rauch will have some value in July as well.

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                            • Sigona
                              Posts too much
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 9926

                              #15
                              Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
                              #Mets have told teams will talk anyone but Wright and very active, working hard to get least 1 more trade done, maybe here (cont)

                              Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
                              Fascinating is #Mets r talking with suitors seriously about Ike Davis. #Rangers, #Pirates need 1B. Tex in particular is known to like Ike

                              BLOWIN' UP THE PLACE!

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