What an awful HOF ballot, and seriously? Bernie Williams?

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  • NAHSTE
    Probably owns the site
    • Feb 2009
    • 22233

    What an awful HOF ballot, and seriously? Bernie Williams?

    Jim Caple at ESPN did a good job of breaking down why this is one of the most horrendous HOF ballots ever, but also managed to produce a "WTF?" from me by advocating for Bernie Williams. Seriously? I get that it's just a museum, but now we're just going to vote for any likable guy who had a solid career?

    The players debuting on the Class of 2012 Hall of Fame ballot are as underwhelming as Republicans seem to find their current crop of presidential candidates.

    In 2011, 20 newcomers were on the ballot and at least five required serious consideration, but there are only a meager 13 first-timers on the Class of 2012 ballot. Forget about a first-ballot Hall of Famer emerging from this group -- I wouldn't put much money on Phil Nevin, Terry Mulholland and Tony Womack lasting past the Iowa caucus. I predict only one player, Bernie Williams, will even get the required 5 percent vote total to survive to the 2013 ballot (which will be very crowded, indeed).
    Off Base

    The only upside to this year's unimposing group is that I don't have to listen to the Hall of Fame candidates repeatedly debate each other over taxes, immigration and the budget. Anyway, here's my annual look at the ballot newcomers:

    Jeromy Burnitz: It tells you something about the new candidates when Burnitz is one of the best players in the group. He averaged 31 home runs and 94 RBIs per year from 1997 to 2004 and signed a $6 million contract with the Pirates in 2006. Naturally, he hit .230 with 16 home runs and 49 RBIs for Pittsburgh and retired. Way to go, Pirates! Said Burnitz during a slump that year: "I'm your highest-paid free agent. That, in and of itself, should tell you the big picture that the team's in."

    Vinny Castilla: Born in Oaxaca, Mexico, Castilla is the all-time leader in hits (1,884), runs (902), RBIs (1,105) and home runs (320) by a Mexico-born big leaguer. One of the original Rockies, he hit 40 home runs in three different seasons, including 1998 when he hit 46 with 144 RBIs. Hitting in Coors Field before the humidor was a very, very good thing.

    Brian Jordan: Jordan played 15 seasons in the majors, made the 1999 All-Star team, hit a walk-off homer against Trevor Hoffman in the 1996 NL division series and received MVP votes in three seasons. He also started 31 games in the NFL, intercepted five passes and had two tackles that produced safeties. I once asked him to compare NFL training camp to baseball's spring training: "You're throwing up, you're dehydrated, you're sucking down water and fluids wherever you go," he said of training camp. "You go back to your room and you've got jugs of water lying around just to make it through the night because your body is cramping up so much. It's a brutal sport." And spring training? "You have to make sure you get your suntan lotion on right so that you don't burn in the sun."

    Javy Lopez: The backstop for most of those great Atlanta teams of the '90s, Lopez got to catch Greg Maddux (well, sometimes), Tom Glavine and John Smoltz, plus all the other excellent pitchers who came through the Braves' clubhouse. On the other hand, he also had to go out to the mound and talk with John Rocker.

    Bill Mueller: After winning the 2003 batting title, Mueller subsequently hit the walk-off home run that ended that famous brawl-filled Yankees-Red Sox game on July 24, 2004, and singled off Mariano Rivera in the ninth inning of Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS to tie the game. Those accomplishments are not nearly enough to get him into Cooperstown, but they do mean he will never have to buy a drink in Boston. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.

    Terry Mulholland: He changed teams 15 times in 20 seasons before finishing with a career record of 124-142 and a 4.41 ERA. But the enduring image most fans have of Mulholland is that blooper video from 1986 when a Keith Hernandez come-backer got stuck in the webbing of his glove and he threw the glove with the ball in it to first baseman Bob Brenly for the out. Said Brenly afterward: "I should have flipped the glove around the infield."

    Phil Nevin: Despite facing intense competition, Nevin is the official winner of the annual "What The Hell Is He Doing On The Hall of Fame Ballot?" award. This is also likely the only post-career honor he will ever receive.

    Brad Radke: I recall covering Radke when he was a young rookie with Minnesota, and now you're telling me he's been out of the game for five years? As if I didn't feel old already. Sigh. I guess I'll take it as a reminder to schedule my colonoscopy.

    Tim Salmon: Mr. Angel played all 14 seasons of his career with the same team, though he always had to think twice before saying whether he played for California (1992-96), Anaheim (1997-2004) or Los Angeles of Anaheim (2005-06).

    Ruben Sierra: He played 20 seasons, hit 306 home runs (the sixth-most belted by a switch-hitter), drove in 1,322 runs and made four All-Star teams. But those numbers don't begin to capture High Sierra's wild career. He signed at age 17, made his big league debut at 20, changed organizations 16 times (he played for the Rangers on three separate occasions), played for eight minor league teams after the age of 30 (including the independent Atlantic City Surf in 1999 but not including the Mexican League Cancun Lobstermen in 2000), was traded for Jose Canseco, Cecil Fielder and Danny Tartabull at different points of his career, and was released eight times (the final time was by the Twins in 2006). I would be tempted to vote for him, but I don't they think could fit all the information onto his plaque.

    Bernie Williams: Finally, we get someone who merits serious Cooperstown consideration. Williams was a four-time Gold Glove-winning center fielder on the Yankees' four World Series champions, batted .297 with a .381 on-base percentage for his career, hit .300 eight times, won a batting title, scored 1,366 runs, drove in 1,257 more and appeared in October prime time more often than promos for the Simpsons' "Treehouse of Horror" while driving in a record 80 postseason runs. He'll probably finish just shy for me, but I'll continue to consider him based just on his great "Seinfeld'' appearance, when he asked George, then the Yankees' assistant traveling secretary, "Are you the one who put us in that Ramada in Milwaukee?"

    Tony Womack: Womack finished with a career .273 average and .673 OPS, but he almost gets my vote for driving in the game-tying run in the ninth inning against the Yankees in Game 7 of the 2001 World Series.

    Eric Young: Young's appearance here means that five men on Kirk Gibson's Arizona staff have been on a Hall of Fame ballot, counting the man himself: Gibson, Alan Trammell, Don Baylor, Matt Williams and Young. And it also means that after the votes are announced in January, there will still be zero Hall of Famers on Gibby's staff (though Trammell should be).
    :bigsrs:
  • FirstTimer
    Freeman Error

    • Feb 2009
    • 18729

    #2
    I think he was joking. But what a God awful ballot.

    The best player on the ballot IMO is Tim Salmon and he never even made an All-Star game.

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    • SethMode
      Master of Mysticism
      • Feb 2009
      • 5754

      #3
      I like Bernie Williams' guitar version of Take Me Out To the Ballgame. Maybe that's why he got in?

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      • Warner2BruceTD
        2011 Poster Of The Year
        • Mar 2009
        • 26142

        #4
        I would vote for Bernie Williams.

        I have what I think is a compelling argument that I will post later when I have time.

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        • MvP
          a member of vsn
          • Oct 2008
          • 8227

          #5
          Could be because I grew up watching him his entire career but Bernie Williams is easily the best player on that list IMO.

          Holy shit at Brad Radke being on there though. I had no idea he's been out of baseball for five years now.

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          • FirstTimer
            Freeman Error

            • Feb 2009
            • 18729

            #6
            Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
            I would vote for Bernie Williams.

            I have what I think is a compelling argument that I will post later when I have time.

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            • Rudi
              #CyCueto
              • Nov 2008
              • 9905

              #7
              Jeromy Burnitz

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              • Warner2BruceTD
                2011 Poster Of The Year
                • Mar 2009
                • 26142

                #8
                Originally posted by FirstTimer
                Bernie Williams had seven consecutive .900+ OPS seasons.

                Only three other CF's in MLB history have matched that. Care to guess who they might be?

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                • FirstTimer
                  Freeman Error

                  • Feb 2009
                  • 18729

                  #9
                  Mantle, Mays, Tris Speaker

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                  • Lanteri
                    No longer a noob
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 2723

                    #10
                    Originally posted by FirstTimer
                    Mantle, Mays, Ty Cobb
                    FYP

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                    • Warner2BruceTD
                      2011 Poster Of The Year
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 26142

                      #11
                      Not Jim Edmonds, not Tris Speaker, not Duke Snyder, not Ken Griffey Jr....

                      It's Mantle, Mays, Cobb, and Bernie Williams.

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                      • NAHSTE
                        Probably owns the site
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 22233

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                        Not Jim Edmonds, not Tris Speaker, not Duke Snyder, not Ken Griffey Jr....

                        It's Mantle, Mays, Cobb, and Bernie Williams.
                        Okay, all that says is Williams is the worst player to ever post 7 straight .900 OPS seasons.

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                        • mgoblue2290
                          Posts too much
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 7174

                          #13
                          Nice to see every above average player from the 90's and early 2000's again. Honestly, some of these guys just had a couple nice seasons sprinkled through out mediocre careers.

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                          • Warner2BruceTD
                            2011 Poster Of The Year
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 26142

                            #14
                            IIRC the ballot for next year is even worse.

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                            • FirstTimer
                              Freeman Error

                              • Feb 2009
                              • 18729

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Warner2BruceTD
                              Not Jim Edmonds, not Tris Speaker, not Duke Snyder, not Ken Griffey Jr....

                              It's Mantle, Mays, Cobb, and Bernie Williams.
                              Which one of these is not like the other.....

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