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  • Warner2BruceTD
    2011 Poster Of The Year
    • Mar 2009
    • 26142

    #16
    Originally posted by Goblinslayer
    Over their careers Burnett has struck out 2.5 more batters per nine innings, and walked one more; and his FIP is half a run better. Burnett also gets a lot more groundballs, but yet gives up a larger percentage of home runs. Other then age, I wouldn't say they're comparable at all.
    oh boy, FIP.

    Burnett: 121-111 W/L, 4.10 ERA, 1.332 WHIP, 105 ERA+, 1960 IP, 1791 K, 826 BB

    Arroyo: 122-105 W/L, 4.28 ERA, 1.316 WHIP, 104 ERA+, 1874 IP, 1226 K, 554 BB

    Both guys entering age 35 season, Burnett 309 GS, Arroyo 291 GS.

    I mean, you would be hard pressed to find two more identical careers. They are two vastly different types of pitchers, but the results are undeniably similar.

    Burnett strikes out more batters, Arroyo walks less batters. Aside from that, you can talk about ground ball rates or FIP alll you want, but at the end of the day you have two guys who allow almost an identical amount of baserunners and earned runs, over a almost identical workload, over the same years in the same era, and are nearly identical against the rest of their respective leagues in adjusted ERA.

    I dont even know what the point is here, other than the Reds aren't trading Arroyo, because even if they found a willing partner, they aren't paying the $15MM deferred cash.

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    • Rudi
      #CyCueto
      • Nov 2008
      • 9905

      #17
      Adding salt to the wound, Chapman went 5 innings tonight, striking out 5, walking 1 without allowing a run.

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      • Villain
        [REDACTED]
        • May 2011
        • 7768

        #18
        Do you think the Reds pick up the team option after a successful surgery or do you think they'll let him go and someone will get a cheap Ryan Madson next year? (2nd season is $11MM or $2.5MM buyout). He's guaranteed $8.5MM to never throw a pitch for the Reds.
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        • FirstTimer
          Freeman Error

          • Feb 2009
          • 18729

          #19
          FML with my pitching staff already.

          Carp down for months, Chapman no idea where he will be.

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          • FirstTimer
            Freeman Error

            • Feb 2009
            • 18729

            #20
            Oh yeah..and Chipper Jones.

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            • Warner2BruceTD
              2011 Poster Of The Year
              • Mar 2009
              • 26142

              #21
              Originally posted by Villain
              Do you think the Reds pick up the team option after a successful surgery or do you think they'll let him go and someone will get a cheap Ryan Madson next year? (2nd season is $11MM or $2.5MM buyout). He's guaranteed $8.5MM to never throw a pitch for the Reds.
              It's a mutual option, and there is virtually no chance the Reds pick up their end of it now. Madson will likely never throw a pitch for the Reds.

              Madson should fire Boras. He could have gotten a big contract from the Phillies, but Boras played hardball. Madson ends up with the Reds on a one year deal, which only $6MM is payable now (the rest is deferred), and he won't even see the option year because the Reds will almost certainly buy him out. And nobody is going to give Madson a long term, big money deal next year coming off TJ.

              On the wrong side of 30 and at least two years away from a potential big money deal, Boras probably cost Madson roughly $30-$35MM.

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              • Warner2BruceTD
                2011 Poster Of The Year
                • Mar 2009
                • 26142

                #22
                Reds cut two veteran left handed relievers today who were in camp on minor league deals - Clay Zavada & Ron Mahay.

                Read into that however you like. Dusty likes two lefties in his pen, closer doesnt count. Running out of lefties. Maybe Bailey can switch hands.

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                • NAHSTE
                  Probably owns the site
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 22233

                  #23
                  Dusty likes two lefties in his pen, closer doesnt count. Running out of lefties. Maybe Bailey can switch hands.
                  If only the Reds had kept :dtrain:

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