Baseball stat ruling I hate...

[FirstTimer]

The no stolen base credit on uncontested steals.

Who cares if the steal was contested or not? The base was still stolen.

Just because the defense is bad, lazy, or indifferent doesn't change the action of taking the base.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Agree completely, makes no sense, should be a SB. I mean, an IBB counts on a players walk total. Stupid.

Also, I think reaching base on an error or on a dropped third strike should count towards a players on base percentage. HE'S ON BASE. In fact, I think the guy who at least put the ball in play or hustled down the line did "more" to "earn" his base than the guy who was intentionally walked. If you get on base, in any way, it should count.

[NAHSTE]

The OBP/reach on error thing is interesting, I guess you should get "rewarded" for putting the ball in play, but OBP is supposed to measure how many outs you are or are not creating. Hitting a grounder directly at a fielder is an out creating event, thus I have no problems with it not being counted towards a player's OBP.

As for defensive indifference, I would agree. I see nothing wrong with awarding a guy the SB, even if the other team is conceding the base or whatever.

[FirstTimer]

The OBP/reach on error thing is interesting, I guess you should get "rewarded" for putting the ball in play, but OBP is supposed to measure how many outs you are or are not creating. Hitting a grounder directly at a fielder is an out creating event, thus I have no problems with it not being counted towards a player's OBP.

As for defensive indifference, I would agree. I see nothing wrong with awarding a guy the SB, even if the other team is conceding the base or whatever.

Hitting a ball at all is a potential out creating event though. The line being drawn at the fielder screwing up and it somehow not counting as you "getting on base" is rather odd.

[NAHSTE]

Also, while we are on the subject, when Berowsk said this:

"can somebody explain to me pitching stats? papelbon was awarded a save for the game last night but he came in with the lead.. shouldn't that just be a win for halladay? "

It was lulworthy, yes, but it reminded me of a rule change someone at Fangrahs proposed which I like: Any time a closer blows a save, then gets the win because his team scores in the next half-inning, that W should be awarded to the previous pitcher of record instead of the reliever who blew the save.

[Villain]

That's what happened with Valverde last week. Blown save + Winning pitcher. It's one of many reasons why the stat for pitching Wins is stupid.

[Warner2BruceTD]

Also, while we are on the subject, when Berowsk said this:

"can somebody explain to me pitching stats? papelbon was awarded a save for the game last night but he came in with the lead.. shouldn't that just be a win for halladay? "

It was lulworthy, yes, but it reminded me of a rule change someone at Fangrahs proposed which I like: Any time a closer blows a save, then gets the win because his team scores in the next half-inning, that W should be awarded to the previous pitcher of record instead of the reliever who blew the save.

Ahh, the old "blown save win".

Here is the thing, though. A lot of people don't know this, but the official scorer does not have to award the win to a certain pitcher based on the pitcher of record "rules" (its actually a guideline). The scorer is within his rights to award the win to whatever relief pitcher he so chooses. They just never, ever do. Everybody just follows the "pitcher of record" guidelines.

This is similar to the idea that a starting pitcher MUST go 5 innings to earn a win. I believe it's actually 4.2. But after years and years and decades of not observing the 4.2, its universally accepted now that you have to go 5.

So basically, official scorers go out of their way to screw the guy who goes 4.2 and reward the guy who goes 0.1, yet they reward the "blown save win" when they dont really have to. Makes no sense.

[NAHSTE]

I have seen a few manually awarded wins in my day, but yeah it is a very rare case. I think the bottom line of this thread is that official scoring is fucking wacky, as we've advanced through the years it's become increasingly clear that this is the case.

Baseball has a lot of goofy rules, but we are in too deep to change most of them now.

[Senser81]

The OBP/reach on error thing is interesting, I guess you should get "rewarded" for putting the ball in play, but OBP is supposed to measure how many outs you are or are not creating. Hitting a grounder directly at a fielder is an out creating event, thus I have no problems with it not being counted towards a player's OBP.

On Base Percentage, in its strictest sense, should be pretty simple. How many times did the guy end up on base? Fielding errors, dropped third strikes, even hitting into a fielder's choice shouldn't really matter. Otherwise, the stat needs to be renamed. It would be like the NFL tabulating the number of receptions a player makes, subtracting the number of drops, then calling the final number "receptions".

[Warner2BruceTD]

Earned Base Percentage

[Villain]

How about an error on a pitcher leading to an unearned run?

They still get charged with the Run, it just doesn't affect ERA.

[Warner2BruceTD]

How about an error on a pitcher leading to an unearned run?

I think the idea, is that on the error he is no longer a "pitcher", but rather a fielder at fhat point. Im with you, though.

I think it should be an earned run on the pitcher, but an unearned run against the team.

[FedEx227]

On Base Percentage, in its strictest sense, should be pretty simple. How many times did the guy end up on base? Fielding errors, dropped third strikes, even hitting into a fielder's choice shouldn't really matter. Otherwise, the stat needs to be renamed. It would be like the NFL tabulating the number of receptions a player makes, subtracting the number of drops, then calling the final number "receptions".

I totally agree with this. I understand NAHSTE's point but it should be a simple stat of how many times you're on base, regardless of how it happened. It's not as if a players numbers will get skewed by having countless errors lead him to getting on base, it probably only comes up a handful of times every year for an individual.

[FirstTimer]

Pitchers have a runs allowed stat that most people never see or pay attention to. They are charged with that run but it doesn't go against the "earned run" column.