Greinke to Dodgers 6yr/147M

[NAHSTE]

Hasn't baseball always been about buying all the talent though?

:hodorpls:

[moneyman255]

Greinke has been at least a five win player, for each of the last five years. Not sure why everyone thinks it is such an overpay. This is market value.

I agree with it being market value, but according to Fan Graphs he was a 4.0 WAR pitcher in 2011.

It's not a terrible overpay, but Greinke is not worth 150 M. I would say 6/110-120 would be fair for a guy like Greinke, but hey, the Dodgers have unlimited amount of money they can throw at a player these days, and Kershaw-Greinke is a hell of a 1-2 punch.

[Guest]

I agree with it being market value, but according to Fan Graphs he was a 4.0 WAR pitcher in 2011.

It's not a terrible overpay, but Greinke is not worth 150 M. I would say 6/110-120 would be fair for a guy like Greinke, but hey, the Dodgers have unlimited amount of money they can throw at a player these days, and Kershaw-Greinke is a hell of a 1-2 punch.

The thing is, this was the second-highest contract in MLB history for a pitcher, and the highest for a right-handed pitcher. There is a good amount of starting pitchers that I would consider better than Greinke, and it seems like an overpay when you look at the history of spending for pitchers Greinke is a damn good pitcher and that combination is going to be good, but they really did overpay.

[EmpireWF]

Lots of guys have been overpaid this off-season though, so it's to be expected.

[mcstl25]

This contract is an absolute joke. Paying a guy $25 million per year for a guy that has a career record of 91-77, an ERA or 3.77, and history of mental issues?

This contract is nowhere near market value. I look forward to seeing this nutcase fail miserably in LA.

/Rant

[Goober]

This contract is an absolute joke. Paying a guy $25 million per year for a guy that has a career record of 91-77, an ERA or 3.77, and history of mental issues?

This contract is nowhere near market value. I look forward to seeing this nutcase fail miserably in LA.

/Rant

Why is it an overpay?
The market was set by the Hamels contract. It's paying Greinke to be a 5 win player, for the next six years, something he has consistently done throughout his career.

[Glenbino]

I expect him to have pretty good numbers in that ballpark actually.. Not to mention he'll be back to facing NL hitting.

Still.. I see all this money the Dodgers spent and they're still just a WC team to me.

[FedEx227]

At the end of the day, most of the "buying a championship" teams fail because they lack long term flexibility and depth. Too often, they'll overplay veterans with big deals when a younger player is a better option. Honestly, looking at the LAD team, it's nice, but it's not an oh my god shut the league down these guys rule scenario. Even then, the last time I really had that opinion of a team, the 2011 Boston Red Sox happened.

[mcstl25]

Why is it an overpay?
The market was set by the Hamels contract. It's paying Greinke to be a 5 win player, for the next six years, something he has consistently done throughout his career.

Hamels is a much better pitcher. Significantly higher WAR, lower ERA, and isn't a mental case. Greinke had one great year and he's been living off that ever since. His ERA over the past three years hasn't been much better than the NL average. Add to that, Hamels has a ton of post season pitching experience and has been great except for a few rough starts in 2009. Greinke crumbled like a cookie in his very limited post season experience, as you would expect from someone who can't handle the spotlight.

[Goober]

Hamels is a much better pitcher. Significantly higher WAR, lower ERA, and isn't a mental case. Greinke had one great year and he's been living off that ever since. His ERA over the past three years hasn't been much better than the NL average. Add to that, Hamels has a ton of post season pitching experience and has been great except for a few rough starts in 2009. Greinke crumbled like a cookie in his very limited post season experience, as you would expect from someone who can't handle the spotlight.

I think you need to check your facts. Greinke's career WAR is 35.8, Hamels is 27.4. They are the same age. Over the last five years, the only season that Hamels has had a higher WAR then Greinke was in 2011, when Greinke missed six weeks of the regular season with a freak injury. The mental issues aren't an issue, and I assume just trolling (?).

[mcstl25]

I think you need to check your facts. Greinke's career WAR is 35.8, Hamels is 27.4. They are the same age. Over the last five years, the only season that Hamels has had a higher WAR then Greinke was in 2011, when Greinke missed six weeks of the regular season with a freak injury. The mental issues aren't an issue, and I assume just trolling (?).

Another reason why have a hard time putting much weight in to WAR... baseball reference (which is what I was using) has Greinke at 7.9 WAR over the past three year; Fangraphs has him at 14.2. And no, the mental issue thing isn't trolling. He has a history of depression, anxiety attacks, and emotional instability; that is a fact. Good to see that he seems to have it under control for the most part, but who knows when the issues will surface again.

[Goober]

If I had a dollar every time someone foolishly used BR WAR on VSN...

[Villain]

Still that payroll is already huge and I still don't think they're better than the Giants.

Okay, Glen.

And no, the mental issue thing isn't trolling. He has a history of depression, anxiety attacks, and emotional instability; that is a fact. Good to see that he seems to have it under control for the most part, but who knows when the issues will surface again.

Yes the mental thing is trolling. It was a problem before he was a Cy Young winner. He got his head on right and he's consistently been one of the top pitchers in MLB ever since. Move beyond ERA and WAR. Check FIP, HR/9, and his strikeout rates. He's also been durable and consistent, not to mention he's only 29.

[Glenbino]

Okay, Glen.


Yes the mental thing is trolling. It was a problem before he was a Cy Young winner. He got his head on right and he's consistently been one of the top pitchers in MLB ever since. Move beyond ERA and WAR. Check FIP, HR/9, and his strikeout rates. He's also been durable and consistent, not to mention he's only 29.

So Zack Greinke immediately makes you better? Or is it going to be the corpse of Carl Crawford?

You guys collapsed down the stretch AFTER taking on all that payroll and lost the division by 8 games. Don't see how adding a 5 WAR starter magically makes them the better team all of the sudden.

[Villain]

So Zack Greinke immediately makes you better?

Yes.

You guys collapsed down the stretch AFTER taking on all that payroll and lost the division by 8 games. Don't see how adding a 5 WAR starter magically makes them the better team all of the sudden.

Uhhhhhhh if the Dodgers won 5 more games they would've been in the playoffs. Simple concept, really.