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  • NAHSTE
    Probably owns the site
    • Feb 2009
    • 22233

    #16
    @JonHeymanCBS: Swisher and jayson werth have comparable regular-season stats. Werth got $70M more, partly due to better octobers/glove
    Was it really due to better defense and October performance Jon, or was it because the Nationals overpaid by $70 million?

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    • Warner2BruceTD
      2011 Poster Of The Year
      • Mar 2009
      • 26141

      #17
      @JonHeymanCBS believe jr smith has room for another tat or 2. yeah, right there on the eyelid!

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      • Goober
        Needs a hobby
        • Feb 2009
        • 12270

        #18
        @JonHeymanCBS: Done at dentist

        @JonHeymanCBS Ill have afzal pick me up in midtown

        Apparently he thought these tweets were text messages.

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        • NAHSTE
          Probably owns the site
          • Feb 2009
          • 22233

          #19
          @JonHeymanCBS

          the idea anyone can close is a fallacy. just because sergio romo proved he can close doesnt mean anyone can close

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          • Goober
            Needs a hobby
            • Feb 2009
            • 12270

            #20
            Originally posted by Goobyslayer
            @JonHeymanCBS: Done at dentist

            @JonHeymanCBS Ill have afzal pick me up in midtown

            Apparently he thought these tweets were text messages.
            Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS

            Me neither. Thnks

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            • Goober
              Needs a hobby
              • Feb 2009
              • 12270

              #21
              Heyman had some terrible football related tweets today, but this made me laugh:

              Miller Park Drunk ‏@millerparkdrunk

              You are so fucking stupid RT @JonHeymanCBS: gets confusing when washington runs ball back for seattle (wash.) vs. washington

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              • Goober
                Needs a hobby
                • Feb 2009
                • 12270

                #22
                Joe Sheehan ‏@joe_sheehan
                @SagebrushSam This is what's frustrating. Trammell should be getting Morris' support. Whitaker. Hell, Evans.
                Jon HeymanVerified ‏@JonHeymanCBS
                @d2mart @joe_sheehan do you also not believe lasting 8 IPs or more in 52 pct of starts over 14 straight yrs is impressive?
                Joe Sheehan ‏@joe_sheehan
                . @JonHeymanCBS Ten years ago, 11 years after Game Seven, Morris was a non-candidate. His vote total is a tantrum against progress.
                Joe Sheehan ‏@joe_sheehan
                . @JonHeymanCBS When have "Opening Day starts" and "percentage of eight-inning starts" ever been used to evaluate anyone, ever?
                "@joe_sheehan: If the SECOND SENTENCE in your case for a guy for the Hall is "Opening Day starts", stop writing."
                I believe Sheehan deleted that last tweet.

                Heyman's HOF article on Morris:
                2. Jack Morris: He defined workhorse and ace in the '80s and early '90s, yet he remains as controversial a non-steroid candidate as there is. He made 14 Opening Day starts, tied with Steve Carlton, Randy Johnson, Walter Johnson and Cy Young for second most ever, behind only Tom Seaver, and was also the No. 1 pitcher of three World Series winners, clear evidence of his reputation and impact in his day. Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated had the stat that defines him: in 14 consecutive seasons, he pitched eight innings or more in 52 percent of his starts. Detractors point to a less-than-glowing career 3.90 ERA, but his career is better summarized by a great decade (most wins of the '80s) and great moments (his Game 7 performance in 1991 for his hometown Minnesota Twins was maybe the best pitching performance under the circumstances in decades). He was good enough to receive Cy Young votes in seven seasons. I can't allow his vast accomplishments to be re-evaluated downward by a new emphasis on different numbers.

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                • FedEx227
                  Delivers
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 10454

                  #23
                  Heyman showed his ass all night. It's an awful article on all levels. His defense of players makes no sense, he didn't do proper research and he just acted like a total moron.

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                  :59 PM: Jon Heyman put up his Hall of Fame column this afternoon. For years he has pushed hard for Jack Morris for the Hall. He has long overstated Morris’ merits in my view, but it’s gotten to the point now where he’s simply making crap up:

                  He was thought good enough to be the ace on teams that had Bert Blyleven and Dave Stewart, and to receive Cy Young votes in seven seasons. I can’t allow his vast accomplishments to be re-evaluated downward by a new emphasis on different numbers.

                  Jack Morris and Bert Blyleven were never teammates. Jack Morris played one season with Dave Stewart. In that one season — 1993 — Morris was 7-12 with a 6.19 ERA. It’s possible that Heyman is calling Morris the “ace” of that 1993 Jays team because he got the Opening Day start, but he didn’t distinguish himself at all that year, he was out of the rotation by early September and was left off the postseason roster. Some ace.
                  VoicesofWrestling.com

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                  • ThomasTomasz
                    • Jan 2025

                    #24
                    14 Opening Day starts

                    I didn't realize that was an official stat

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                    • FedEx227
                      Delivers
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 10454

                      #25
                      It's not. Nobody cares.
                      VoicesofWrestling.com

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                      • ThomasTomasz
                        • Jan 2025

                        #26
                        Originally posted by FedEx227
                        It's not. Nobody cares.
                        I know. Sarcasm. Hence the

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                        • FedEx227
                          Delivers
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 10454

                          #27
                          No, I know. It's just pathetic that THOSE are the type of people voting.

                          I also don't think 54% of your starts going over 8 innings is anything anyone should ever give a shit about.
                          VoicesofWrestling.com

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                          • ThomasTomasz
                            • Jan 2025

                            #28
                            Originally posted by FedEx227
                            No, I know. It's just pathetic that THOSE are the type of people voting.

                            I also don't think 54% of your starts going over 8 innings is anything anyone should ever give a shit about.
                            I think in today's game, that would be something to point out. However, the bullpen's in Morris' time didn't have the "specialists" you see in today's game and the chess matches managers tend to have with each other, so pitchers were expected to pitch late into games.

                            I wouldn't be surprised if Heyman was drinking when he wrote that.

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                            • FedEx227
                              Delivers
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 10454

                              #29
                              It doesn't matter anyway because it's not like he was particularly good when teams were peddling him out there for 8 innings. His ERA kinda shows that, that's why we have that statistic and numerous others. I mean, Livan Hernandez isn't good because he pitches a ton of innings. He gets a lot of jobs, but I don't think anyone would confuse him with a top-tier pitcher, he's just a workhorse.
                              VoicesofWrestling.com

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                              • ThomasTomasz
                                • Jan 2025

                                #30
                                Originally posted by FedEx227
                                It doesn't matter anyway because it's not like he was particularly good when teams were peddling him out there for 8 innings. His ERA kinda shows that, that's why we have that statistic and numerous others. I mean, Livan Hernandez isn't good because he pitches a ton of innings. He gets a lot of jobs, but I don't think anyone would confuse him with a top-tier pitcher, he's just a workhorse.
                                Morris was pretty good, just not great. HOF shouldn't be for a player like that, but we seem to be making it out to be for whatever reason, probably because Morris was pretty candid with some members of the media or something stupid like that.

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