MSTI - A Visual Study of Carl Crawford’s Problematic Batting Stance

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  • Villain
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    • May 2011
    • 7768

    MSTI - A Visual Study of Carl Crawford’s Problematic Batting Stance

    It's a Dodger blog, but I thought it was a great breakdown.

    Posted on March 20, 2013 by Mike Petriello.

    As we all marvel over Yasiel Puig and try to parse Ned Colletti’s comments that seemed to suddenly leave a door open for the young Cuban to make the team, we need to remember that it’s not only for Puig’s own development that he’s likely to start the year in the minors. It’s also because of Carl Crawford, because if you start Puig alongside Matt Kemp & Andre Ethier, you’ve turned Crawford into a fourth outfielder — one who can’t really throw, no less — and essentially taken any hope of him earning his contract away before he’s even had a chance to prove himself.

    It’s with that in mind that I point out that I found this aside from a TrueBlueLA post about Dee Gordon‘s minor ankle injury very interesting:

    Carl Crawford will participate in a more intense throwing drill on Tuesday involving cuts and relays. On Tuesday morning, he talked about the changes made to his batting stance from his days with the Red Sox. “When I got to Boston, my stance was more open,” Crawford said. “I’m trying to get back to being more square to the pitcher, and my batting stance isn’t as wide. Those are two of the little things I’m trying to focus on.”
    I remembered Crawford’s stance as always being pretty wide open, so I began to wonder: is that true? If so, could his struggles really be as simple as fixing his stance? And if so, why was that not corrected in Boston?

    To investigate, I went back over the last few years to see how Crawford’s stance looked in both Tampa Bay & Boston as compared to what it’s been this spring with the Dodgers. In order to attempt to avoid differences in camera angle between stadiums and networks, I looked at only games in Fenway Park that were broadcast on NESN (excluding, of course, games from this week in Arizona), and plate appearances against righty pitchers. The samples were otherwise picked completely at random, from different points in the game and during at-bats.

    Crawford had a great year in 2009, hitting .305/.364/.452 and contributing 5.9 WAR with a career-high 60 stolen bases. Here he is in May of that year, facing old friend Brad Penny. His stance is somewhat open, but not remarkably so.



    The next April against future teammate Josh Beckett, starting his final season with the Rays, Crawford had opened his stance slightly…



    …but that’s nothing compared to what we see by the time he made his final trip to Fenway with the Rays, in September of 2010. We can see that he’s become incredibly open, with his front foot nearly touching the white line of the box. What’s also really interesting is the way he’s holding his bat. In the 2009 & April 2010 examples, he is holding his bat angled upward. In the examples to follow, his bat is completely flat, with his arms at or above the top of his head.



    After signing with the Red Sox, he made his Fenway debut against the Yankees on April 8, 2011. His stance here is at the extreme, fully open and with his front heel now firmly on the line. His arms are still high, putting the head of his bat almost below sea level.



    2011 was of course a complete disaster, as he hit just .255/.289/.405. By the end of his first season in Boston, his bat was still flat and his stance was still quite open, as we can see on September 21 against Baltimore. Hey, they’re making a movie out of “Moneyball”? It’ll never work.



    Crawford missed most of 2012 due to an injury to his wrist, but even in February of that year he was planning on making changes to his stance:

    Once Crawford returns, he plans to tweak his batting stance. During his first season in Boston, the four-time All-Star struggled to produce offensively, batting a career-low .255 while striking out 104 times. He didn’t attribute his subpar season to his nagging wrist injury. Crawford ––who examined footage of his posture in the offseason –– ultimately accepted the view that he should tighten his stance.

    “I think I was out of whack in so many ways,” Crawford said. “I just couldn’t figure it out. So it just kept getting worse and worse and worse. That’s what happened from that and now I’ll try my best to stay on top of what I need to remember and hope my athletic ability can take over like it normally do.”
    Crawford managed only 125 plate appearances in July & August between his return from the wrist trouble and the Tommy John surgery that ended his season, but he made good on his promise, closing up and tilting his bat. This is how he looked in his final home game with the Red Sox, against Texas on August 8.



    Now he’s a Dodger, playing in his first games since that August finale in Boston. It’s a little more difficult to compare in Monday’s game against Arizona, because the camera is lower and off-center to the right, which makes him seem more open than he is. Still, you can see that his bat is nearly at 45 degrees and his feet are clearly within the white lines of the box, which is incredibly encouraging.



    So what impact did the stance shenanigans have? Among other things, it made him unable to get to the outside pitch. Using the Baseball Prospectus heat maps, we can see that when Crawford was having his career year in 2010, with his stance slowly opening up, he was quite good at getting to pitches on the outside part of the plate. In 2011, fully open, he had absolutely no prayer. (And, it should be noted, even in September of 2010 he was beginning to have trouble getting to outside pitches.)




    It’s a pretty stark difference, as pitchers routinely pitched Crawford away and he was completely unable to do anything about it. In 2012, as he went back to his older, more open stance, there was hope; while he was completely impatient, leading to a lousy .305 OBP, his .197 ISO and .479 SLG (in limited playing time, of course), ranked among the better numbers of his career.

    It’s overly simplistic to simply attribute Crawford’s struggles to his stance, because there was obviously a lot more going on there — things like injuries, an uncomfortable fit in Boston, a contract that was widely seen as an overpay even at the time it was signed. He might not stay healthy in Los Angeles, and his best days might be — hell, probably are — behind him. But if we’re looking for any reasons for optimism, and any indication that giving Crawford a chance to prove himself while sending Puig out is the right thing, seeing him get back to the closed stance and upright bat that gave him so much success in Tampa Bay looks like a really good start.
    On Opening Day against the Giants, Crawford went 2 for 4 with a double and a strikeout.
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  • Mogriffjr
    aka Reece
    • Apr 2009
    • 2759

    #2
    i wonder what reasons would he alter his stance so much after having so much success with it. I think sometimes you go with what feels comfortable and maybe he just continued to open up so much to the detriment of his stats but maybe due to his injuries...
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    Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate.

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    • Yawkey Way
      Free World Leader
      • Oct 2008
      • 6731

      #3
      That's almost like a golfer changing his golf swing. You start to make subtle tweaks and for a while it continues to work, but as you continue to change you suddenly will never be able to get back to what made you good in the first place. It's more of a mental thing than anything, I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to tinker with his stance forever. Mo is right though, really weird.

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      • Villain
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        • May 2011
        • 7768

        #4
        Yeah, well I think Mo hit the nail on the head. We'll bump this thread in a couple months and see how this is all going. The blogger who wrote that up is very good at following up with his own work so i wouldn't be surprised if we get another post regarding Carl Crawford and his batting stance later this season.

        He also writes ESPN Insider stuff about the Dodgers and some fantasy baseball, etc. about other teams and players on FanGraphs. I highly recommend looking him up (Mike Petriello).
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        • strahanfan92
          Meat
          • Aug 2009
          • 5456

          #5
          What an article, very interesting.

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          • Villain
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            • May 2011
            • 7768

            #6
            I've decided I'm going to use this as a Carl Crawford tracking thread.

            After the first series against the Giants, he appears to be the only one on the Dodgers who can hit:

            5 for 9, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 2B
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            • Villain
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              • May 2011
              • 7768

              #7


              After 6 games:

              22 PA, 20 AB, 9 H, 2 2B, 2 RBI, 2 CS, 2 SB, 2 BB, 4 Ks

               
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              • Villain
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                • May 2011
                • 7768

                #8


                Carl hit a leadoff home run in the 1st inning and a leadoff triple in the 5th inning last night at Petco Park. He also walked twice.

                He is currently leading the NL in batting average and on-base percentage. BABIP of .571, lol.
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                • Villain
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                  • May 2011
                  • 7768

                  #9




                  Carl couldn't decide which Jackie Robinson Nikes looked better so he wore one of each. He went 3 for 4 on the night and brougt his batting average back over .400. The one he made was an at-'em ball to the outfield off of Huston Street in the 9th - he could've easily been 4 for 4.
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                  • NAHSTE
                    Probably owns the site
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 22233

                    #10
                    He definitely looks a lot better at the plate, I was impressed with some of his swings last night. Hope he's back.

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                    • Slateman
                      Junior Member
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 2777

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Villain




                      Carl couldn't decide which Jackie Robinson Nikes looked better so he wore one of each. He went 3 for 4 on the night and brougt his batting average back over .400. The one he made was an at-'em ball to the outfield off of Huston Street in the 9th - he could've easily been 4 for 4.
                      I know it's Nike, but the Air Jordan insignia looks dumb for baseball cleats. Should be one of Jackie stealing home or something.
                      The king was shaken. He went up to the room over the gateway and wept.
                      As he went, he said: "O my son Absalom! My son, my son Absalom!
                      If only I had died instead of you
                      O Absalom, my son, my son!"

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                      • Villain
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                        • May 2011
                        • 7768

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Slateman
                        I know it's Nike, but the Air Jordan insignia looks dumb for baseball cleats. Should be one of Jackie stealing home or something.
                        Yeah, I agree. Brand names gonna brand name, though.

                        Carl Crawford got a lot of supportive texts and phone calls after he wore mismatched Jackie Robinson commemorative cleats in Monday night's game, but Major League Baseball was not among the well-wishers.


                        By Mark Saxon | ESPNLosAngeles.com

                        LOS ANGELES -- Carl Crawford got a lot of supportive texts and phone calls after he wore mismatched Jackie Robinson commemorative cleats in Monday night's game, but Major League Baseball was not among the well-wishers.

                        Dodgers outfielder Carl Crawford said his agent received a call from the league office instructing him not to wear either the blue or white special edition Nike Jordan PEs in a game again.

                        The Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder said his agent received a call from the league office instructing him not to wear either the blue or white special edition Nike Jordan PEs in a game again. Crawford got the idea to wear one blue shoe and one white shoe after seeing on the clubhouse TV that Jimmy Rollins had changed shoes between his at-bats Monday night.

                        "I was like, 'OK, he had a little fun with it, so let me have fun with it,' " Crawford said. "The league doesn't want us to have any fun, I guess."

                        It's likely a fine will be forthcoming, though Crawford said he hasn't been told about one. The league fined San Francisco Giants closer Brian Wilson $1,000 in 2010 for wearing bright orange shoes in the All-Star Game.

                        Rollins, Crawford and CC Sabathia all received Jordan PEs with the No. 42 on the back for Monday's commemoration of the 66th anniversary of Robinson breaking baseball's color barrier. Crawford was the only player who wore one of each.

                        "They were a little crazy," Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said. "He had a good comment, though. He said, 'If you're going to wear those shoes, you've got to get some hits.' "

                        Crawford, batting .396 in his first season with the Dodgers, went 3-for-5 Monday night. He was wearing conforming blue cleats for batting practice Tuesday.
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                        • NAHSTE
                          Probably owns the site
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 22233

                          #13
                          Thought the shoe thing would get over due to racial symbolism.

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                          • Villain
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                            • May 2011
                            • 7768

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NAHSTE
                            Thought the shoe thing would get over due to racial symbolism.
                            LOL, some Dodgers guy on twitter pointed out that Carl was breaking a "color barrier."
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                            • Villain
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                              • May 2011
                              • 7768

                              #15
                              After a miserable two seasons with the Red Sox, Carl Crawford has gotten off to a positive start in his first year with the Dodgers.


                              So far, so good for Carl Crawford

                              Dodgers' left fielder having a resurgence after two miserable years with Red Sox

                              By Jerry Crasnick | ESPN.com

                              Studies have shown that moving can be a stressful experience in any person's life. When you're carrying enough personal baggage from one city to the next to fill a fleet of U-Hauls, even the security of a $142 million contract only goes so far to ease the transition.

                              Carl Crawford knows the drill. When the Los Angeles Dodgers acquired him from the Red Sox in a nine-player trade in August, Crawford headed west with a bum elbow, negligible self-esteem and a tarnished image from two lost seasons in Boston. It didn't help the public perception when reports surfaced that the Dodgers were forced to assume Crawford's contract as the price for landing Adrian Gonzalez, the prime target of their affections.

                              Three weeks don't officially qualify as a turnaround, but it appears the change of scenery has been liberating and therapeutic. Although Crawford's numbers have dipped in the past week, he is hitting .314 with a .400 on-base percentage out of the leadoff spot in 19 games as a Dodger. Combine his performance with Barry Zito's impressive start in San Francisco and Vernon Wells' April rebirth in New York and we have the makings of a theme: nine-figure flops who are showing they still have some game left in them.
                              Carl Crawford leads the Dodgers with 15 runs scored, and also has a .400 on-base percentage.
                              Teammates and Dodgers personnel think it's less a case of a new-and-improved Crawford than a return to the old Carl -- the guy who made four All-Star teams, led the American League in triples and stolen bases four times and played the game with an innocence and zeal that made him a fan and clubhouse favorite for nine seasons in Tampa Bay.

                              After a disastrous tour of Boston, Crawford is back in his element. He loves the mild weather and the laid-back atmosphere of Los Angeles. His game seems well-suited for the big parks and spacious gaps of the National League West. And he's struck a nice rapport with the Dodgers' hitting coach -- a big, congenial, red-headed guy who has weathered a few storms of his own.

                              Every day, Crawford and Mark McGwire chat about something, whether it's the pitcher the Dodgers will be facing that night, the quality of the at-bats Crawford had the day before or the state of baseball and life in general in Los Angeles. McGwire and John Valentin, the Dodgers' assistant hitting coach, are always available to look at video, head to the cage for some soft-tosses or just engage in some light-hearted banter to keep the lines of communication open.

                              The low point of Crawford's April came on Jackie Robinson Day, when Major League Baseball flagged him for a fashion faux pas he made in homage to his personal hero. More often than not, there's a bounce in Crawford's step regardless of the shoes he's wearing.

                              "I definitely lost confidence over the past two years," Crawford says. "To hear all the stuff being said about you definitely puts you in a deeper hole. But I've been gaining the confidence back, slowly but surely. I've been working with those guys and it's been wonderful for me.

                              "I just try to stay positive at all times, even when things are extremely bad. Even when everybody has nothing good to say, you have to be the only person who believes. That's the main thing."

                              • • •
                              Oddly enough, Crawford's resurgence is coming while Dodgers are floundering as a group. They rank 29th in the majors with 61 runs scored, and they're batting .195 as a team with runners in scoring position. If those numbers fail to improve relatively quickly, McGwire can expect to catch some heat. Hitting coaches usually do.

                              But McGwire gets a big thumbs-up for his early influence on Crawford. When the two men met for the first time this spring, they clicked almost instantly.

                              "I just thought he was a nice guy," Crawford says. "Easy to talk to. He didn't seem like he had one of those chips on his shoulder that some ex-players have."

                              The players who worked with McGwire during his previous tenure in St. Louis could have told Crawford that the tenets of the Big Mac approach to hitting are relatively simple. McGwire understands the importance of sound mechanics, but he doesn't want his hitters so focused on their hands and hips that they overcomplicate matters. He thinks 17 inches of plate are too much for a hitter to cover, so it's important to carve the plate into 8½-inch segments and focus on one half or the other. McGwire also stresses taking the quickest route possible from Point A to Point B -- the fewer loops, hitches and detours, the better.

                              Although casual observers might think otherwise, McGwire disdains a cookie-cutter approach and has no illusions that he's going to make everyone a power hitter. As former Cardinal Lance Berkman observed in 2011, "He's not trying to make everybody into miniature Big Macs. He looks at your swing and says. 'These are the things you're doing well. Let's go with it.'"

                              In his first sit-down with Crawford, McGwire spent more time listening than talking. The Carl Crawford Reconstruction Project began with a heart-to-heart reflection on what had gone wrong in Boston. Then McGwire let Crawford take the lead in coming up with solutions.

                              "The bottom line is you get to know him first and then ask questions," McGwire says. "What makes you tick? What's your routine? In Boston, I think he got out of a routine. They have a certain way of doing things there, from what I understand. I said, 'Well, this is a different place, and we're going to do what Carl wants to do. And when Carl gets ready, this is what Carl is gonna do.'


                              "In the three years I've been a hitting coach, I've never really had the opportunity to work with somebody with really good speed and a good eye like he has.”
                              -- Dodgers hitting coach
                              Mark McGwire on Crawford
                              "I asked him, 'What have you done when you've had success?' He said, 'I've done A, B, C and D.' So I said, 'Perfect, we're gonna do A, B, C and D.' There were certain things he wanted to do to get himself going, and he's taken off."
                              Crawford's quick start is rooted in part on some overdue mechanical tweaks. He's more closed and less spread out in his stance, which has allowed him to maintain better balance and do a more efficient job of reaching the outside pitch. Crawford has always been more of a slasher and an athlete than a work of art at the plate, and he can still take some funky hacks when his top hand comes off the bat and everything else flies in the vicinity of the first-base coaching box.

                              "He's always been kind of unorthodox," says a scout. "But there's strength and explosiveness. He just whacks. Hit it hard and run as fast as you can."

                              If Crawford has shown growth in one particular area, it's plate discipline. According to FanGraphs, he has swung at 23.1 percent of pitches outside the strike zone this season, compared to 35-40 percent in Boston. As a young player in Tampa Bay, Crawford never warmed to the responsibility of leading off, but he has tempered his natural aggressiveness in the quest to make opposing pitchers work and seems more comfortable hitting with two strikes.

                              In the Dodgers' 7-4 victory over Baltimore on Sunday, Crawford went hitless in two at-bats. But he walked three times and saw a total of 25 pitches in five plate appearances. Crawford has seven extra-base hits this season, and McGwire wants him to use the gaps and hit a lot of line drives and ground balls to take advantage of his wheels.

                              "I'm enjoying it," McGwire says. "In the three years I've been a hitting coach, I've never really had the opportunity to work with somebody with really good speed and a good eye like he has."

                              • • •
                              Crawford's dedication to the game and commitment to putting in the hours have never been a question. The Dodgers found that out in spring training when he arrived at 5:30 a.m. each day to rehabilitate his elbow and be ready for Opening Day.

                              "He works too hard," says Dodgers manager Don Mattingly. "We actually have to slow him down."

                              Nevertheless, until Crawford re-establishes himself, he'll be stuck with a reputation as a player who chased the megabucks to a big market and failed miserably. Never mind that he simply piggybacked on Jayson Werth's seven-year, $126 million deal with the Nationals and capitalized on the euphoria of the moment. He will forever be lumped in with Edgar Renteria, John Lackey, Daisuke Matsuzaka and Julio Lugo on the list of the Theo Epstein front office's big whiffs.

                              Crawford is accountable enough to realize he didn't play well in Boston, but he seems anxious to let people know his shortcomings on the field weren't the result of some internal character flaw. His media interviews reflect the conflict within. Although he is by nature an upbeat person and wants to put the Boston fiasco behind him, that sorry chapter in his career provides motivational fuel in his desire to put himself back on the map as an elite player.

                              "When you don't play well, everybody gets on you and says you're stealing money," Crawford says. "But they don't see all the hard work you're doing to try to play well. In my case, the worse I did, the harder I tried. And for some reason, that didn't work. It ain't like I was just sitting around on a couch waiting for 7 o'clock and saying, 'Oh, I'm about to go play.' That's what you would think if you listen to what people say.

                              "I'll always carry it with me, because it did so much damage to the inside of me. I have to keep that in me and remember how that feeling felt. I feel like that pain and stuff I went through there is going to carry me through the rest of my career."

                              Hey, whatever works. The Dodgers owe Crawford $102.5 million through 2017, and no matter how freely Guggenheim Baseball throws money around, it will look much better in the form of a productive, All-Star left fielder than a sunk cost.


                              Carl Crawford
                              #25 Left Fielder
                              Los Angeles Dodgers
                              2013 STATS
                              GM 19
                              R 15
                              H 22
                              HR 1
                              OBP .400
                              AVG.314
                              Dodgers first-base coach Davey Lopes, for one, thinks Crawford has the potential to be a productive hitter, defender and base stealer for the duration of his contract, even though it runs through his 36th birthday.
                              "He may not steal 60 bases, but he can steal 40," Lopes says. "It's just a matter of how often he gets on base and how much he wants to push himself. I read a lot about speed guys not being able to do things at 31. All last winter I read 'Michael Bourn's legs are gone.' It's absolutely absurd to think that. I was 40 years old when I stole 47 bases in a utility role. But people in this business like to generalize and throw everybody into the same pot. It's ridiculous."

                              In the grand scheme of things, players fail to live up to big free-agent contracts for a variety of reasons. Maybe they feel overwhelmed by the expectations or view the money and security as a license to coast. Or maybe the team just made a miscalculation, and the investment was destined to be a bust from the start.

                              When Crawford reflects on his time in Boston, he sees a perfect storm of bad at-bats, injuries, self-imposed pressure and negativity preying on his mindset and approach. He didn't experience a lot of sunny days in New England.

                              "Those two years, man, everything that could possibly go wrong, went wrong," he says. "What are the chances of that happening? I don't really know what to say, because you can't make excuses or nothing. You just have to take everything that comes at you."

                              So far, so good in his new baseball home in Southern California. Crawford has a healthy elbow and strong legs beneath him, a game plan for every at-bat and a new pal to help him keep his head straight in the batting cage and the video room. He'll never be able to erase the past. But he still has time to resurrect a career.
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