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  • FedEx227
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    • Mar 2009
    • 10454

    #31
    Minimum salary for NFL rookie: $390,000
    Minor League minimum: ~$52,000
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    • Senser81
      VSN Poster of the Year
      • Feb 2009
      • 12804

      #32
      Originally posted by FedEx227
      Minimum salary for NFL rookie: $390,000
      Minor League minimum: ~$52,000

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      • FedEx227
        Delivers
        • Mar 2009
        • 10454

        #33
        Wait sorry. The $52,000 is people on 40-Man Rosters or guy who have played in the majors. The standard is much, much worse.

        Here's the breakdown of minor league minimum/maximum salaries and the 2012-2016 CBA Google doc.

        "First contract season: $850/month maximum. After that, open to negotiation

        Alien Salary Rates: Different for aliens on visas--mandated by INS (Immigration).

        Triple-A--First year: $2,150/month, after first year no less than $2,150/month

        Class AA-First year: $1,500/month, after first year no less than $1,500/month

        Class A (full season)--First year: $1,050/month, after first year no
        less than $1,050/month

        Class A (short-season)--First year: $850/month, after first year no
        less than $850/month
        VoicesofWrestling.com

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        • NAHSTE
          Probably owns the site
          • Feb 2009
          • 22233

          #34
          Only loosely related, but a good read on how the new MLB spending restrictions on the amateur draft are affecting college baseball:

          College baseball benefiting from MLB draft changes
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          By By STEVE MEGARGEE and DAVID BRANDT
          THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
          April 12, 2013
          Alec Rash is a 6-foot-6 right-hander with the kind of talent that makes professional baseball scouts salivate.

          The Philadelphia Phillies used their second-round pick in last year’s draft on Rash, but the 19-year-old pitcher isn’t honing his skills in the minor leagues this spring. Instead, he’s a freshman for the Missouri Tigers.

          Rash is a poster child for how Major League Baseball’s new collective bargaining agreement is already starting to impact the college game.

          With new limitations on how much teams can spend on prep stars, it appears more will be heading to college instead of the minor leagues.

          In November 2011, the CBA capped the amount of money each organization could spend in the first 10 rounds of the draft. In the first draft under the new rules, the number of high school players rated among Baseball America’s top 200 draft-eligible prospects went unsigned or undrafted increased slightly to 35, up from 26 in the 2011 draft.

          Of those 35 unsigned or undrafted players, 33 are now playing Division I college baseball. The numbers might increase after the 2013 draft in June.

          “It’s already had an impact,” Vanderbilt coach Tim Corbin said of the CBA. “What you’re seeing is the kids who are drafted from round five or after, I think you’re seeing more of those kids show up in school.”

          Rash, the highest-drafted high school player not to sign a pro contract last year, said the Phillies didn’t offer the $750,000 signing bonus he sought. He was the 95th overall selection, and the slot value for that spot was $500,000. Rash enrolled at Missouri instead and is 2-1 with a 3.43 ERA and 19 strikeouts in 21 innings.

          He said he probably would have turned pro directly out of high school under the old agreement.

          The cap “really makes it difficult for teams to be able to just go out and throw money at someone,” Rash said. “They have to play more of a game with it. They have to really be smart with their money. Before the new CBA, they could just throw money at someone and make that decision for them.”
          LSU shortstop Alex Bregman is another player tearing up college fields and not the minors.

          He was considered a potential first-round draft pick before breaking a finger his senior year at Albuquerque (N.M.) Academy. After getting picked by the Boston Red Sox in the 29th round, Bregman went to LSU and is batting .444 with 41 runs scored and 35 RBIs in 34 games.

          The Tigers (32-2) are off to the best start in school history, thanks in part to Bregman’s presence.

          “I think in the old rules, they probably would have still taken a flyer on him – maybe not in the first round – but they would have watched him all summer and then they would have had a chance to give him a couple of million dollars in August before school started, and he probably would have signed,” LSU coach Paul Mainieri said. “Because of the new rules, he ends up coming to school, where he’s been leading our team.”

          Tennessee has played 17 true freshmen this season, the most of any Division I team. The list of Tennessee freshmen includes shortstop A.J. Simcox and outfielder Vincent Jackson, who were rated by Baseball America among the nation’s top 200 draft-eligible prospects last year.

          Before MLB’s latest collective bargaining agreement, teams could offer an unlimited amount of money to players they drafted.

          Now MLB assigns a slot value to every pick in each year’s draft – which in 2012 ranged from $7.2 million for the No. 1 overall pick to $125,000 at the end of the 10th round. A team’s total allotment is the sum of the slot value of all of its selections in the first 10 rounds.

          A team can spend its allotment as it sees fit, going above or under slot value for an individual pick if it desires. But if a team goes above the overall threshold, it must pay a luxury tax. Any players selected after the 10th round of the draft can be signed for up to $100,000 without counting toward a team’s cap.

          Miami Marlins scouting director Stan Meek said the draft’s rule changes are more restrictive, but can be a positive for pro organizations because it streamlines the negotiating process.

          “It makes for a more honest discussion and it certainly makes us do our homework with prospects,” Meek said. “We have to get a good understanding of how much it’s going to take for a player to sign because we don’t have as much wiggle room. It’s brought a little more realism to everything.”

          Meek said he expects the new rules will help the college game because good prospects who aren’t considered elite – ones that might be slotted from the sixth to 10th round – would be more likely to go to school because the hope for a large signing bonus isn’t as feasible.

          Major League Baseball’s slot value for a sixth-round pick in the 2012 draft ranged from about $200,000 to $250,000. That’s not necessarily an enticing amount for a player who has a scholarship on the table and could potentially improve his draft position after a good college career.

          Still, LSU’s Mainieri pointed out the rules also can work to college baseball’s detriment.

          Mainieri signed outfielder Hayden Jennings last year and didn’t expect him to get drafted in the first 20 rounds. Jennings instead went to the Washington Nationals in the sixth round and never played for LSU. Mainieri said Jennings signed with the Nationals for $100,000, well below slot value.

          “Basically what was happening was Washington was drafting a player they knew they could sign for under slot to save them money they could probably put into one of their higher picks,” Mainieri said. “We ended up losing a player there that we did not expect to lose. It happens in both directions.”

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          • SuperKevin
            War Hero
            • Dec 2009
            • 8759

            #35
            Originally posted by Senser81
            So other kids from Simeon are looking at the financials, and weighing the ROI? Its not something as simple as "Derrick Rose is making money (relative, nondescript term) playing basketball, so I'm going to play basketball". What if it was Kirby Puckett instead of Derrick Rose coming from Simeon, would those Simeon kids think "Yeah, Kirby Puckett is making millions playing baseball, but I can make $16M/year playing basketball and only $20k/year playing baseball."

            You make it seem as if each kid from the projects has his own Charles Schwab advisor.
            You don't need a financial advisor. You just need a TV. When was the last time you saw an outfielder in AA with a national television commerical? How many reality shows do they have flaunting the wealth and excess of a 18 year old kid playing in Hagerstown, MD?

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            • Senser81
              VSN Poster of the Year
              • Feb 2009
              • 12804

              #36
              Originally posted by SuperKevin
              You don't need a financial advisor. You just need a TV. When was the last time you saw an outfielder in AA with a national television commerical? How many reality shows do they have flaunting the wealth and excess of a 18 year old kid playing in Hagerstown, MD?
              When was the last time you saw a college football player with a national television commercial? Other than Cam Newton and Reggie Bush, how many college football players do they have flaunting the wealth and excess of an 18 year old kid playing in Corvalis, OR?

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              • Senser81
                VSN Poster of the Year
                • Feb 2009
                • 12804

                #37
                Originally posted by FedEx227
                Wait sorry. The $52,000 is people on 40-Man Rosters or guy who have played in the majors. The standard is much, much worse.

                Here's the breakdown of minor league minimum/maximum salaries and the 2012-2016 CBA Google doc.



                https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=h...ba_english.pdf
                I'm still not following your comparison of minor league baseball players to professional football players. Here is a quick salary breakdown for college football players at schools other than Auburn & USC:

                Freshman year: $0
                Sophomore year: $0
                Junior year: $0
                Senior year: $0

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                • NAHSTE
                  Probably owns the site
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 22233

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Senser81
                  When was the last time you saw a college football player with a national television commercial?
                  Every time ESPN runs an promo for their upcoming games...

                  DEANTHONY THOMAS AND THE DUCKS TAKE ON MARQUISE LEE AND THE TROJANS THIS SATURDAY ONLY ON ABC

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                  • Senser81
                    VSN Poster of the Year
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 12804

                    #39
                    Originally posted by NAHSTE
                    Every time ESPN runs an promo for their upcoming games...

                    DEANTHONY THOMAS AND THE DUCKS TAKE ON MARQUISE LEE AND THE TROJANS THIS SATURDAY ONLY ON ABC
                    More exploitation of the black race...

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                    • SuperKevin
                      War Hero
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 8759

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Senser81
                      I'm still not following your comparison of minor league baseball players to professional football players. Here is a quick salary breakdown for college football players at schools other than Auburn & USC:

                      Freshman year: $0
                      Sophomore year: $0
                      Junior year: $0
                      Senior year: $0
                      Ok so the minor league baseball player makes more money before his 20th birthday than the football player. However when he is drafted he'll make more money his rookie year than most minor leaguers will make in 5-6 seasons. Again, don't need a fancy financial adviser to tell you this. You just need to see the $80K watch Johnny Football star is wearing in the green room of the draft

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                      • Senser81
                        VSN Poster of the Year
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 12804

                        #41
                        Originally posted by SuperKevin
                        However when he is drafted he'll make more money his rookie year than most minor leaguers will make in 5-6 seasons.
                        No shit. Is it me? You are comparing an NFL salary to a minor league baseball salary...why? How is that an even comparison? Someone said that football is a quicker and easier path to money than baseball. Still waiting for someone to explain it to me in a logical fashion...NFL players make more than a Class A baseball player? Wow.

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                        • ralaw
                          Posts too much
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 6663

                          #42
                          I don't understand why it is so hard to grasp that black kids are going into basketball and football, because those sports are the primary sports within their community. Obviously basketball and football players can make more money, but by the time a kid realizes this financial advantage he has already spent several years playing basketball and football. The money influences are minimal compared to the social and cultural reasons.

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                          • Slateman
                            Junior Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 2777

                            #43
                            Originally posted by ralaw
                            I don't understand why it is so hard to grasp that black kids are going into basketball and football, because those sports are the primary sports within their community. Obviously basketball and football players can make more money, but by the time a kid realizes this financial advantage he has already spent several years playing basketball and football. The money influences are minimal compared to the social and cultural reasons.
                            This

                            When your 14, you're not really thinking about your salary at age 22. You just want to play.

                            So the better question is, why is baseball looked down upon within the black community, but basketball and football are accepted? Basketball I would understand if poverty were the issue. Requires minimal amount of start up money. You need a ball and clothes. You can get by with one coach. But football requires gear and coaches (ie, money).
                            The king was shaken. He went up to the room over the gateway and wept.
                            As he went, he said: "O my son Absalom! My son, my son Absalom!
                            If only I had died instead of you
                            O Absalom, my son, my son!"

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                            • ralaw
                              Posts too much
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 6663

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Slateman
                              This

                              When your 14, you're not really thinking about your salary at age 22. You just want to play.

                              So the better question is, why is baseball looked down upon within the black community, but basketball and football are accepted? Basketball I would understand if poverty were the issue. Requires minimal amount of start up money. You need a ball and clothes. You can get by with one coach. But football requires gear and coaches (ie, money).
                              TBH I think it has most to do with ignorance, but this ignorance is brought upon by a lack of role models (MLB does a poor job of promoting its black stars), lack of coaches to teach it, and in the US baseball fields are dominated by whites, and it is natural (whether consciously or not) to want to be around your own. These reasons also apply to soccer as well.

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                              • Villain
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                                • May 2011
                                • 7768

                                #45
                                Doesn't the prevalence of baseball in Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, etc. make the "baseball is too expensive" argument invalid?
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