Schilling retires. HOF?

[Senser81]

Yeah, no way Schilling's ketchup sock game tops some of Jack Morris' postseason performances.

[FirstTimer]

SMH at this. Don't care if his foot fell off in that game, doesn't make him a HOFer. IF he makes it to the HOF it won't be because his foot started bleeding once in a game. One of the more overrated performances of all time IMO.

I think it helps though if for nothing else than a "moment". We always talk about Heisman winners and other winners or awards having "moments". Ruth's called shot, Puckett's leaing catch, Fisk's HR. It's a tangible moment in a photo you can look at and connect with the 11-2 postseason record, plus it occurred during one of the, if not THE, greatest comeback in the history of the game and helped the Red Sox to win their first Series in 86 years. Within the context of the arguement I don't think it's overrated.

But I'm a Red Sox fan so take this for it's worth.

[dell71]

Nope needs more wins

Sandy Koufax disagrees with you. (not that Schill is equivalent to Koufax but...you get my point)

Yeah, no way Schilling's ketchup sock game tops some of Jack Morris' postseason performances.

Agreed.

Had to mention what I heard on Mike & Mike this morning. Eric Kasilius was pro-Schilling/anti-Blyleven for the HOF, so he said that Blyleven never won 20 games in a season (which in itself was wrong...Blyleven won 20 games in 1973)...but he failed to point out that Blyleven won 71 more games than Schilling (287 v. 216) while pitching only 2 more seasons than Schilling (22 v. 20).

How come baseball HOF arguments are the most illogical arguments in sports?

I'm still anti-Blyleven (we've had that discussion before). As far as the 71 more wins goes, we all know Schill has been injury prone so even though he only pitched 2 fewer seasons, he started about 250 fewer games (Blyleven 685, Schill 436). I'm not so impressed by 71 more wins in 250 more starts.

Ketchup-sock game & my Yankee loyalties aside, I think Schill gets in.

[Senser81]

I'm still anti-Blyleven (we've had that discussion before). As far as the 71 more wins goes, we all know Schill has been injury prone so even though he only pitched 2 fewer seasons, he started about 250 fewer games (Blyleven 685, Schill 436). I'm not so impressed by 71 more wins in 250 more starts.

So you are rewarding Schilling for being injury-prone and penalizing Blyleven for being durable? 71 wins seems to be a pretty significant difference in their amount of wins, no?

[dell71]

So you are rewarding Schilling for being injury-prone and penalizing Blyleven for being durable? 71 wins seems to be a pretty significant difference in their amount of wins, no?

Not rewarding Schilling, but not penalizing Blyleven either. 71 wins is a pretty significant amount taken in a vacuum. When measured against 250 additional starts, not so much. It seems he didn't do so much with all that durability.

[Senser81]

Not rewarding Schilling, but not penalizing Blyleven either. 71 wins is a pretty significant amount taken in a vacuum. When measured against 250 additional starts, not so much. It seems he didn't do so much with all that durability.

Yeah, Blyleven didn't do much with all his durability, except win 71 more games than Schilling.

[dell71]

Yeah, Blyleven didn't do much with all his durability, except win 71 more games than Schilling.

True, lol, but still doesn't change my mind.

[NAHSTE]

I think it helps though if for nothing else than a "moment". We always talk about Heisman winners and other winners or awards having "moments". Ruth's called shot, Puckett's leaing catch, Fisk's HR. It's a tangible moment in a photo you can look at and connect with the 11-2 postseason record, plus it occurred during one of the, if not THE, greatest comeback in the history of the game and helped the Red Sox to win their first Series in 86 years. Within the context of the arguement I don't think it's overrated.

But I'm a Red Sox fan so take this for it's worth.

I'll buy into your moment theory, but this one just feels so phony, so ESPN-era. In the old days, the moments were real moments, because they had to transcend sports to even get on the television and into the news cycle. Sure, it took a shit load of guts to pitch that night and he was fucking nails in that post season. But the hype surrounding this ancillary blood just struck me as another example of the modern day "latest=greatest" mentality.

[FirstTimer]

I see your point and ESPN overcourse overhyped it as they do all things Red Sox-Yankees, but simply as a fan of the support when you put it into context of what was going on:
-Fiercest rivalry in baseball
-ALCS
-Red Sox in the midst of one of the greatest most dramatic comebacks in the history of sports
-Lead to the first Red Sox WS win in 86 years

It's a hell of a moment/image by any standards.