Manny test positive, suspended 50 games

[PP]

First offense, we don't know how to handle situations like this, we're not seasoned vets like Yank fans ;)

We? manny isnt even on the sox. who gives a fuck.

[The Messenger]

First offense, we don't know how to handle situations like this, we're not seasoned vets like Yank fans ;)

No, you actually handled it well and gave a response any unbiased fan should give at this point. There are very few innocent players during the steroid era, I hate when people think their whole team was clean.

And didn't Paxton Crawford admit steroid use? I'm pretty sure Trot Nixon and Carl Everett were juicing as well.

Either way, like you said everyone (not everyone but damn near everyone) was doing it during the steroids era.

Imo, this is bad for all of baseball and people shouldn't be laughing at this. Manny has been one of the best, if not the best, hitter in baseball for the last decade and his name is now tarnished along with Alex Rodriguez (top 10 hitter for the last decade), Barry Bonds, etc. The sport is hurt as a whole, not just Manny Ramirez or the Boston Red Sox name.

[EmpireWF]

One source says the substance he took was for sex-drive enhancement.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhZMuNpmjWrpvNcj.xcXQsAg0bYF?slug=ys-ramirezsuspension050709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[The Messenger]

We? manny isnt even on the sox. who gives a fuck.

Yeah, because Manny wasn't a big part of those 2004 and 2007 championship teams. Your first reaction was to shoot down the whole steroids thing. I'm pretty sure you give a fuck.

[The Messenger]

One source says the substance he took was for sex-drive enhancement.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

Hopefully that is true, but there's maybe .000001% of me that believes that could be the case.

Like I said though, hopefully it's something like that. Even as a Yankees fan, I wouldn't want to see Manny's legacy end up like this. He's been a big part of the game for so long.

[ralaw]

Sounds like he tested positive recently, not years a go. Seems like another JC Romero situation, where he took the doctor's/company's word for it instead of checkin with the Union or the League.

That's something that I just don't get. These athletes basically have handlers who they could easily just send off to get the proper information. Why wouldn't he have the doctor or his agent talk to MLB directly and ask if the drug or something in it is on the banned list? I'm sure MLB would happily do it to avoid one of their marquee players being suspended. I just don't understand why they just take something because the doctor told them, especially in the current climate of MLB where a bad test can be so detrimental.

All of that of course is assuming the "doctor gave it to me" excuse is true.

[The Messenger]

It was a womans fertility drug that gets your body back to producing the natural amount of testosterone, which leads one to believe that he was on steroids or some type of performance enhancer and recently got off it which would drop his testosterone level because his body adapted to the testosterone he was putting into himself

Sounds about right... Unfortunately.

[The Messenger]

That's something that I just don't get. These athletes basically have handlers who they could easily just send off to get the proper information. Why wouldn't he have the doctor or his agent talk to MLB directly and ask if the drug or something in it is on the banned list? I'm sure MLB would happily do it to avoid one of their marquee players being suspended. I just don't understand why they just take something because the doctor told them, especially in the current climate of MLB where a bad test can be so detrimental.

All of that of coarse is assuming the "doctor gave it to me" excuse is true.

Your last sentence sums it up.

And what do the doctors gain from giving the players banned substances? Does it increase the doctor's paychecks? No. So why would they give the players banned substances?

Lies....

[The Messenger]

hahah I just saw the opportunity to take a shot at a yankee fan and couldn't resist buddy I agree with all of your points wholeheartedly.

I know. :D

Maybe people will leave baseball, the sport full of corruption, no salary cap, and rediculously overpaid players and switch over to the clean sport with a stable salary cap and players making what they earn...hockey ;);)

Let's hope not. For everyone's sanity. ;-) (fucking wink smiley)

[PP]

No i dont give a fuck. because all of these guys were using. theres no way to figure out who was, who is, etc etc. now if u test positive u get suspended and ur team is hurt. thats really the only way to combat it. leagues arent going to pull championships bc 1 player tested positive. even if manny was using while on sox. every team they played had other players using.

really when i heard this i felt like this may be like the JC romero situation because i give manny the benefit of the doubt since he doesnt really have the steroid body etc. obviously more will come out and if he was using well he gets his 50 games and loses 8 million and life goes on.

[PP]

It's just I never expected manny to get caught for this. But I suppose that's what I said when ARod was caught.

Arod was outed by a sleezy sportswriter. he is on a list with 100 other mlb guys which shouldnt have been released.

[EmpireWF]

TJ Quinn of ESPN says the drug was HCG, a known drug used by folks on steroids.

It's known to give its users bitch tits.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=14000

guess the sex-drive stuff was not accurate

[Blade]

That's something that I just don't get. These athletes basically have handlers who they could easily just send off to get the proper information. Why wouldn't he have the doctor or his agent talk to MLB directly and ask if the drug or something in it is on the banned list? I'm sure MLB would happily do it to avoid one of their marquee players being suspended. I just don't understand why they just take something because the doctor told them, especially in the current climate of MLB where a bad test can be so detrimental.

All of that of course is assuming the "doctor gave it to me" excuse is true.

Thats cuz they have an IQ equal to Slingblade's.

Its too bad hes out for 50 games, I am taking Pops to the Phillies/Dodgers game next Thursday in Philly, woulda been to watch him hit.

[Youk]

TJ Quinn of ESPN says the drug was HCG, a known drug used by folks on steroids.

It's known to give its users bitch tits.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=14000

guess the sex-drive stuff was not accurate

It makes sense. Honestly, at this point no one should be surprised by any names. All we can do is say "that's a shame", and boo the player. Sadly, we have no proof if someone like Manny was doing this his whole career. There could be the chance that he only started after the peak of his career. Hell, he could have been doing it the whole time. The shitty part is we won't know. It's the same with A-Rod, we will never know 100% if he was always on steroids, and longer than he said. The only way is if the players come out 100% and tell everything. That's why I like Canseco and take what he says with some credibility. The guy doesn't throw names around for no reason, and the dude came out 100% and told all about his steroid use.

The Messenger brought up names like Carl Everett and Trot Nixon before. Steroids aren't always going to make you a 50 HR player, so there are always going to be surprises. These guys aren't proven but no name should surprise. I've said before, F.P. Santangelo was busted, but he was no A-Rod.

[The Messenger]

Arod was outed by a sleezy sportswriter. he is on a list with 100 other mlb guys which shouldnt have been released.

It's been said Manny is on the list.

I don't see how Manny doesn't look like he uses steroids. He's built like a football player. Not as much as Mark McGuire, but he's no Dustin Pedroia.