Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan

[mgoblue2290]

Yeah because Duncan clearly wasn't the leader of those Championship teams San Antonio had(minus 1999).................. Give me a break. Garnett thumps his chest, screams, and makes faces and all of a sudden people cream themselves over how much of a leader he is.

He was doing the same shit in Minnesota and it didn't matter. He comes to Boston, finally wins, and he's the greatest leader ever. His whole act is over hyped.

Yeah he's a great leader but just because Duncan doesn't act like a jackass at times doesn't mean he isn't leading his team in a different, yet just as effective or more effective way.

I've always hated when people say that about any athlete. They see them going nuts on the court or field and automatically assume that they are a leader. Just because someone is obnoxious and goes nuts when something happens does not make them a leader.

[FirstTimer]

I've always hated when people say that about any athlete. They see them going nuts on the court or field and automatically assume that they are a leader. Just because someone is obnoxious and goes nuts when something happens does not make them a leader.

Dennis Rodman was the leader of the Bulls 2nd 3-Peat

[Saluki]

People also have to remember that KG Carried a horrible Timberwolves team into the playoffs pretty much by himself several times. Duncan has never had to carry his entire team, he's always had help somewhere, weather it be David Robinson, Manu, or Parker

[FedEx227]

People also have to remember that KG Carried a horrible Timberwolves team into the playoffs pretty much by himself several times. Duncan has never had to carry his entire team, he's always had help somewhere, weather it be David Robinson, Manu, or Parker

Okay, but by that same token can't you say that Duncan's presence has made those other guys better?

That's why I hate those arguments. You could always argue that the constant factor in the Spurs success has been Duncan and thus Parker and Manu are in large part by-products of Pop's system and Duncan. Duncan won a title before they got there, and their first title together Manu and Parker were largely unknown to much of the basketball world.

[Saluki]

Okay, but by that same token can't you say that Duncan's presence has made those other guys better?

That's why I hate those arguments. You could always argue that the constant factor in the Spurs success has been Duncan and thus Parker and Manu are in large part by-products of Pop's system and Duncan. Duncan won a title before they got there, and their first title together Manu and Parker were largely unknown to much of the basketball world.

Like i said before he had Manu and Parker he was a twin tower with
Robinson, he's never been on a bad team in his career.

[FedEx227]

But can't that be a plus... the fact he's never been on a bad team?

[dell71]

Tim Duncan...he IS the greatest PF to ever play the game...

So says me...

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BTW, Parker and Ginobli are the players they are in large part because of Duncan, they didn't arrive there as all-stars. And not to mention, when Duncan himself came in Robinson wasn't nearly the player he had been.

As has been said, KG has an awesome skill set but Duncan is the better player. Having a guy dominate the post, commanding double-teams opening up the floor for everyone else >>>> being good at a lot of other things and shying away from the ball in the clutch. And this from a guy who loves KG.

[ralaw]

People also have to remember that KG Carried a horrible Timberwolves team into the playoffs pretty much by himself several times. Duncan has never had to carry his entire team, he's always had help somewhere, weather it be David Robinson, Manu, or Parker

And? Does having better teammates some how diminish what Duncan has accomplished? Do we use the same argument against Magic, Jordan, Bird, Russell, KAJ, etc? It doesn't matter...Is KG some how better, because he had worse teammates? The fact remains Duncan carried championship caliber teams and KG carried mediocre to good teams. However, the argument could be made that he didn't even carry that Wolves team with Sprewell and Cassell and we all know he didn't carry the Celtics.

[FirstTimer]

But can't that be a plus... the fact he's never been on a bad team?

Yeah. I don't get it. Duncan's never been on a bad team. So what? Isn't that a credit to Duncan? Garnett gets credit for being the best guy on a lot of crappy teams yet Duncan gets penalized for being an MVP on good teams...that were good mainly due to the fact that Duncan is the best PF ever. It's a retarded argument to make.

[FirstTimer]

The Spurs were a playoff team without Duncan. Robinson was consistently making it to the Playoffs, but got injured the season before Duncan went to the Spurs, and they got him in the Lottery. Robinson came back from injury, and they got Duncan as well. Then they won championships.

They won the with Duncan being the go to guy on that team. As evidenced by his Finals MVP Trophy.

[dell71]

Cassell being hurt; hurt MINNY that year they lost in the CONF FInals and Spree hurt them begging. That team was suppose to be the champions. Just my personal opinion

"Suppose to be the champions?" LOL @ that. Fact is, they weren't. Under better circumstances they may have a better chance to be champs but nothing is guaranteed. Weren't the Cavs "supposed" to be in the Finals this year?

They won A title. With Duncan being the go to guy on that team. As evidenced by his 2 Finals MVP Trophies.

Fixed it for you.

[FirstTimer]

Fixed it for you.

Not to be a jackass but I was referring specifically to the one he won with Robinson in 1999

[The Messenger]

Tim Duncan. He's the best fundamentally sound player of all time. He's the best power forward of all time. He can win games and carry teams by himself. Before the Celtics, KG struggled to do anything in the playoffs and he needed 2 other All-Stars (Sprewell and Cassell) just to get out of the first round.

Sure, Duncan has Ginobili and Parker, but how much better has he made those guys?

It's somewhat close, but Tim Duncan is the best PF of all-time and Kevin Garnett ranks 4 or 5 after Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, and there's maybe another player or two you could rank over him (imo he's 4th).

[Juggernaut]

Duncan is the best PF in the game today, and he has the rings to prove it

He's single handily made the spurs who they are, i doubt they would have won the ship without him.

[Archer]

I cant argue against the best PF of all time

Id take Duncan over Garnett on any given day