The Big Question: Is trading Lebron James an option?

[dave]

Wow.. you're underrating Dwayne Wade big time. He is a legit top 3 player in the league.

But he's no Lebron James ... and not close.

[dave]

You're making more of an argument for him leaving Cleveland now.....:crazy:

My point was - and continues to be - Cleveland would attract better players if they knew Lebron James was staying.
Because they're not sure, the best Cleveland can do is getting a guy on the backend of his career with an expiring contract.
Because James keeps playing these wait-and-see games, no in his prime free agent will touch Cleveland.

[dave]

And it still doesn't explain what your theory on his "ego" has to do with this......

I already gave my reasons - go back 20 or so posts.

Just checked - see: http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/...1&postcount=16

[dave]

They're a top 5 team because of him. There are quite a few teams who would be with him also. They haven't built anything special around him in his time there, and even you aren't buying into their most recent move.

Do you also think Wade has a huge ego for waiting? He's in a very similar situation, even though you won't go as far as defending Delonte West or big Z as any kind of supporting cast I'm sure....

This whole thing is just stupid. The media talks about it all the time, on their own accord, and somehow thats driven his ego which is the ONLY reason he hasn't re-signed with the Cavs? Break out the tinfoil hats already Dave, you've got yourself a full blown conspiracy theory..

No conspiracy theory, just my opinion.

Lebron is just on an ego trip with this 2010 thing.

Wade is simply not in James' crowd, no matter how much you wish he was.

No one outside Miami cares about Wade. He's an all-star and a fine top 5-7 player.

Lebron James is the future and present of the NBA.

[dave]

Throw out the W/L records and Wade would have won the MVP last year. No one is far and away better than that in the game right now. I'm not even that much of a fan of Wade, but apparently because I'm outside of Miami and I give a shit about Wade, you're going to paint me as some jock-rider? Hell, Buser deals with basketball talk for a living and I'm sure he could tell you that there's a nice niche of people (called the vast majority of NBA fans) who care that Wade is a top 3 player in the game. And the difference between 1-3 isn't a whole lot...

Wade and James could both conceivably be looking at max contracts from teams with better supporting casts than what they are looking at now. That possibility isn't a good reason to wait until FA opens, but his EGO is?

Seemingly, there are a lot of people who want him to sign just to silence all this talk about the issue of where he goes in 2010. But wouldn't it make more sense to let the guy make his own sound business/professional decision when he wants, and re-direct that head shaking to the media machine that pushes the guy.....

But just for shits and giggles, who are the 6 players who you think may be better than Wade?

Both are getting max contracts.

I'm playing poker, gimme a day on the 6 players.

[The Messenger]

My point was - and continues to be - Cleveland would attract better players if they knew Lebron James was staying.
Because they're not sure, the best Cleveland can do is getting a guy on the backend of his career with an expiring contract.
Because James keeps playing these wait-and-see games, no in his prime free agent will touch Cleveland.

Yet you're continuing to miss the point, David.

Cleveland has shit for money until next year. Next year, LeBron can resign and then they can get these players who will know LeBron will be in Cleveland for the next 5 or 6 years.

If LeBron signs now, you maybe get Trevor Ariza. Oh shit Ariza? Stop the press, TREVOR ARIZA IS IN CLEVELAND!!!

Ariza would give them a good role player, but is he really worth hinging your future on (if your LeBron) when you can still get a player like Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker, or Matt Barnes?

Let's not forget if Ariza wanted to play second fiddle to a legit superstar for the next 6 years he would've stayed in Los Angeles. Where's he at now? Houston where McGrady will be gone in a year and Yao may never play again.

[The Messenger]

Did you really just make fun of Cleveland signing Ariza, and then mention that they could instead have Anthony Parker or Matt Barnes?

No, you unintelligent piece of worthless decrepit dog shit.

I said there's no reason for LeBron to sign now and put his whole future on the line just so the Cavaliers can have a better shot at landing Trevor Ariza (which still wouldn't have been a guarantee, if you read the next part, because Ariza opted to go to a team where he didn't have to play second fiddle to a top 3 player), when you can still get a player of Shawn Marion's, Anthony Parker's, or Matt Barnes' caliber.

Post those whore pictures of your slutty girlfriend or get in another argument with Kuzzy about how you think Halle Berry is unattractive and make yourself useful.

I'm gonna add a smiley to show that this post is a friendly one. Thank you for your time.

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[Kuzzy Powers]

No, you unintelligent piece of worthless decrepit dog shit.

I said there's no reason for LeBron to sign now and put his whole future on the line just so the Cavaliers can have a better shot at landing Trevor Ariza (which still wouldn't have been a guarantee, if you read the next part, because Ariza opted to go to a team where he didn't have to play second fiddle to a top 3 player), when you can still get a player of Shawn Marion's, Anthony Parker's, or Matt Barnes' caliber.

Post those whore pictures of your slutty girlfriend or get in another argument with Kuzzy about how you think Halle Berry is unattractive and make yourself useful.

I'm gonna add a smiley to show that this post is a friendly one. Thank you for your time.

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Makes me realize that I am on the right side of some TERRIBLE arguments.. that one might take the cake..

[FirstTimer]

Makes me realize that I am on the right side of some TERRIBLE arguments.. that one might take the cake..

Halle Berry in The Flintstones movie.....major fappage...before I even knew what fapping was.

[Vinsane]

Halle Berry in The Flintstones movie.....major fappage...before I even knew what fapping was.