Who is the best team in the NBA?

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  • NAHSTE
    Probably owns the site
    • Feb 2009
    • 22233

    #16
    Originally posted by Bob Kuzzy
    You serious dude? Ron Artest is a flat out improvement over Trevor Ariza, without question. Having Artest to hold it down on the defensive end is going to help Kobe Bryant out so much, because hes not going to have to work nearly as hard on D anymore. Aslong as Ron stays to a team approach and doesnt chuck 3's (which he will still be allowed to do as much as Ariza did, so he should be satisfied) Artest is most definitely going to provide more for your team than Ariza.. I dont even think its very close.

    PS: Ron Artest's numbers last season: 17.1 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 3.3 APG, 1.5 SPG, 40% FG, 78% FT, 35% 3PT

    Ariza: 8.9 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.7 SPG, 46% FG, 71% FT, 31% 3PT

    Ariza averaged about 10 minutes less.. but I dont really see how Ariza was "better" than Ron Artest by any means. And he definitely aint a better defender, we both know that.

    /end high rant.

    He is more athletic, on the upswing of his career and better from 3. I think he's a better fit for the Lakers and I also think you're overrating Artest's perimeter D right now. He is still a tough defender but to think he'll be able to give Kobe a break is giving Ron Ron too much credit. He isn't the shut down guy he once was because he isn't as quick.

    /end work rant

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    • Kuzzy Powers
      Beautiful Like Moses
      • Oct 2008
      • 12542

      #17
      Ron Artest is a top 3 defender in the NBA..

      And how is a guy shooting a lesser percentage a better 3-point shooter? Especially considering Artest took double the amount of 3's that Ariza did. Trevor Ariza couldnt hit the side of a barn before last year.. he spent the summer in the gym shooting 3's and has turned into a half decent shooter.. but 31% from 3 really aint hot by any means.
      Last edited by Kuzzy Powers; 08-14-2009, 08:21 PM.

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      • SuperNova854
        Hobo Pride
        • Nov 2008
        • 8161

        #18
        CLIPPERS, and at nyg4lyfe91, if Ron wanted to be the best player on the team...he wouldn't have signed a MLE contract when he could have gotten more money to be the "star" player he supposedly wants to be.
        Last edited by SuperNova854; 08-14-2009, 08:35 PM.

        1984 Record: 44-38 (9th in west)
        1985 Record: 42-40 (7th in west; 1st round exit)
        1986 Record: 51-31 (3rd in west; swept in finals)


        The Grizzlies theme this season should be : "This Season, We're Doing It For The Lulz"

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        • SuperNova854
          Hobo Pride
          • Nov 2008
          • 8161

          #19
          Sheed hasn't really changed over the past 5 seasons. Same stats, same amount of techs.

          1984 Record: 44-38 (9th in west)
          1985 Record: 42-40 (7th in west; 1st round exit)
          1986 Record: 51-31 (3rd in west; swept in finals)


          The Grizzlies theme this season should be : "This Season, We're Doing It For The Lulz"

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          • SuperNova854
            Hobo Pride
            • Nov 2008
            • 8161

            #20
            Hes close enough

            1984 Record: 44-38 (9th in west)
            1985 Record: 42-40 (7th in west; 1st round exit)
            1986 Record: 51-31 (3rd in west; swept in finals)


            The Grizzlies theme this season should be : "This Season, We're Doing It For The Lulz"

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            • Kuzzy Powers
              Beautiful Like Moses
              • Oct 2008
              • 12542

              #21
              Originally posted by Rajon-Rondo
              Artest was a top 3 defender. I wouldn't consider him a top 3 defender anymore. His perimeter defense is being highly overrated based off of his reputation.

              Same thing is being done with Rasheed in Boston though. He is being judged on his reputation from five years ago.
              Name 3 better defenders.

              At worst Ron Artest is a top 5 defender..

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              • NAHSTE
                Probably owns the site
                • Feb 2009
                • 22233

                #22
                Originally posted by Bob Kuzzy
                Name 3 better defenders.

                At worst Ron Artest is a top 5 defender..
                Dwayne Wade, Shane Battier, Chris Paul, LeBron, Kobe

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                • Kuzzy Powers
                  Beautiful Like Moses
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 12542

                  #23
                  Originally posted by NAHSTE13
                  Dwayne Wade, Shane Battier, Chris Paul, LeBron, Kobe
                  Just because Chris Paul gets steals doesnt mean hes a top defender. I actually find that pretty laughable that you'd say Chris Paul is a better defender than Ron Artest. If anything, Chris Paul is way more overrated defensively than Artest is.

                  Shane Battier.. ehh.. maybe, harder worker, less natural talent. LeBron, Kobe, Wade, maybe but its close regardless.

                  Ron is an elite defender. He will continue to be one throughout his career. How hard he makes opposing offensive players work is unparalleled.
                  Last edited by Kuzzy Powers; 08-15-2009, 09:27 AM.

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                  • BUCK3YE5
                    CP 2K12
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 1410

                    #24
                    Even LeBron has admitted that Artest is a tough defender.

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                    • BUCK3YE5
                      CP 2K12
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 1410

                      #25
                      Never said you did.

                      But ya LeBron will not be as good as Kobe and the Cavs wont be as good as LA until LeBron and company put on a ring.

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                      • Anthony
                        In Brendan we trust.
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 5201

                        #26
                        New York Knickerbockers...

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                        • Whatupdoe44
                          Magic
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 4954

                          #27
                          Originally posted by BUCK3YE5
                          Never said you did.

                          But ya LeBron will not be as good as Kobe and the Cavs wont be as good as LA until LeBron by himself gets a ring.
                          fixed


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                          • BUCK3YE5
                            CP 2K12
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 1410

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Anthony
                            New York Knickerbockers...
                            wont pick up 1 big name in 2010

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                            • Anthony
                              In Brendan we trust.
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 5201

                              #29
                              Originally posted by BUCK3YE5
                              wont pick up 1 big name in 2010
                              You'll cry come 2010 & all the bandwagon Cavs fans that've appeared out of nowhere all of the sudden will all cut their wrists, up the street not across.

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                              • Whatupdoe44
                                Magic
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 4954

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Anthony
                                You'll cry come 2010 & all the bandwagon Cavs fans that've appeared out of nowhere all of the sudden will all cut their wrists, up the street not across.
                                or theyll just become knick fans.....


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