Jordan shares his disappointment of Heat Big Three

[FirstTimer]

I miss these kinds of discussions. It's been a civil, mature, exchange of points of view. Much better than the usual GIF wars and I'm a huge giant faggot.

Well, there goes the civil discussion with some admin editing my post.

"and I'm a huge giant faggot" was "and I'm a huge giant faggot".

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I miss these kinds of discussions. It's been a civil, mature, exchange of points of view. Much better than the usual GIF wars and l u l z.

They didn't edit the post...anyone posting l u l z has it changed automatically by VBulletin.

[bucky]

They didn't edit the post...anyone posting l u l z has it changed automatically by VBulletin.

I figured it out by experimenting. I actually, REALLY like it doing that.

+rep for admins.

[Miami Flash15]

What did Jordan win prior to Pippen's arrival? The whole "you have to win by yourself" statement is one of the largest misconceptions in the NBA. You can NOT win by yourself.

[FedEx227]

Nobody said that, of course you can't win by yourself. Where has that ever been said?

There's still defined leaders and top dogs on every team though. Even with Pippen as his Robin, Jordan was still Batman. Kobe even with Gasol and Odom is still the undisputed leader of that team.

[EmpireWF]

LOL we got a mad Knick fan here.

Welcome to another decade of irrelevance!

Nice tag-line there.

I'm satisfied with the Knicks right now and better yet, still plenty of space to improve in the next 12 months.

As for the Heat, all I'm saying is, it's win multiple titles or BUST.

A lot of pressure on James (despite being 1 of 3) and as we have seen in the past, he's not exactly the man to excel in those situations.

[Anthony]

What did Jordan win prior to Pippen's arrival? The whole "you have to win by yourself" statement is one of the largest misconceptions in the NBA. You can NOT win by yourself.

This is what Jordan DIDN'T do, he didn't run to Magic, Larry or Isiah. He was too much of a competitor to wave the white flag, unlike LeBron - He EARNED his championships and never did he QUIT on his team while in the playoffs, unfortunately. (Knicks fan)

[Miami Flash15]

Nobody said that, of course you can't win by yourself. Where has that ever been said?

There's still defined leaders and top dogs on every team though. Even with Pippen as his Robin, Jordan was still Batman. Kobe even with Gasol and Odom is still the undisputed leader of that team.

Yes, but LeBron never had that in Cleveland. He had Mo, Shaq, and Jamison, that was basically it. None of those players come close to a quality sidekick.

But hey, it could just be my bias kicking in for enjoying the moment of the big 3 signing, which has yet to even come a reality.

Nice tag-line there.

I'm satisfied with the Knicks right now and better yet, still plenty of space to improve in the next 12 months.

As for the Heat, all I'm saying is, it's win multiple titles or BUST.

A lot of pressure on James (despite being 1 of 3) and as we have seen in the past, he's not exactly the man to excel in those situations.

I agree, the pressure is on for the Heat.

New York has Melo and CP3 on their radar, it'll be interesting to see how that develops.

[Senser81]

Very disappointing they were never able to get over the hump.

Hard to get over the hump when Paul Mokeski is getting PT...

[bucky]

Jordan DIDN'T QUIT on his team while in the playoffs

I really think LBJ lost some confidence in the playoffs and started to doubt himself a little bit. It's an easy thing to do. He's human.

If he can't handle the pressure, then Miami may be a good place for him, where he doesn't have to be "The Man".

[FirstTimer]

What did Jordan win prior to Pippen's arrival? The whole "you have to win by yourself" statement is one of the largest misconceptions in the NBA. You can NOT win by yourself.

No one said that.....but Jordan winning with Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, etc as "THE Man" s completely different than James going to Miami, Wade's town, and not being "The Man."

Nobody said that, of course you can't win by yourself. Where has that ever been said?

There's still defined leaders and top dogs on every team though. Even with Pippen as his Robin, Jordan was still Batman. Kobe even with Gasol and Odom is still the undisputed leader of that team.

Exactly.

[bucky]

Hard to get over the hump when Paul Mokeski is getting PT...

You're right. Though I liked Paul. He had a good outside shot for a big man. But you aren't gonna win many titles with him.

[Miami Flash15]

No one said that.....but Jordan winning with Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, etc as "THE Man" s completely different than James going to Miami, Wade's town, and not being "The Man."




Exactly.

Jordan had a quality supporting cast to get him to the Finals and beyond. LeBron never had those players while in Cleveland. Yes, you can look at it as LeBron quitting in Cleveland and going to Miami for the easy road. But in all honesty, if you were LeBron James and all about winning, would you have stayed in Cleveland?

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It's obvious LeBron doesn't care about his legacy anymore, he threw it away to join Wade and Bosh for a chance to win multiple titles. For him, it's down to winning. I don't think he'll care about his "legacy" anymore, knowing that it's well down the drain. He could never be Jordan, he couldn't win by himself in Cleveland. So, he came to Miami.

[FedEx227]

Which is cool, that's fine but he has to understand why a large chunk of his fans and in my case former fans are extremely disappointed by that route.

[FirstTimer]

Jordan had a quality supporting cast to get him to the Finals and beyond. LeBron never had those players while in Cleveland.

Forest from the trees.

Jordan had a supporting cast around him. Lebron is now the supporting cast to Wade in Wade's city. James joined Wade. Jordan's guys either came to him or were drafted by the Bulls.

It didn't matter what James had or didn't have in Cleveland at this point. He chose being a man in Miami or THE man some place else. That's the point.

Yes, you can look at it as LeBron quitting in Cleveland and going to Miami for the easy road. But in all honesty, if you were LeBron James and all about winning, would you have stayed in Cleveland?

It's not as though Cleveland wasn't trying. They were brining in anyone and everyone they could to help Lebron. The effort was there. If I'm Lebron and I'm worried about winning AND wanting a legacy as perhaps the GOAT...then I go to Chicago or New York. LeBron wants to win, that's great but he sacrificed his legacy to do so.

[Th3ChosenOne]

Which is cool, that's fine but he has to understand why a large chunk of his fans and in my case former fans are extremely disappointed by that route.

I think he does understand why his fans are dissapointed. He did everything he could to try and get cleveland over the hump. They could just never get over the hump in the playoffs.

He realises why fans are dissapointed, but right now he justs wants to win and he couldnt do that in cleveland.