Jordan shares his disappointment of Heat Big Three

[Miami Flash15]

Forest from the trees.

Jordan had a supporting cast around him. Lebron is now the supporting cast to Wade in Wade's city. James joined Wade. Jordan's guys either came to him or were drafted by the Bulls.

It didn't matter what James had or didn't have in Cleveland at this point. He chose being a man in Miami or THE man some place else. That's the point.


It's not as though Cleveland wasn't trying. They were brining in anyone and everyone they could to help Lebron. The effort was there. If I'm Lebron and I'm worried about winning AND wanting a legacy as perhaps the GOAT...then I go to Chicago or New York. LeBron wants to win, that's great but he sacrificed his legacy to do so.

I agree w/ Chicago and New York. I think Chicago lost LeBron when they had said he wouldn't get any special privileges like he received in Cleveland because they didn't do that for Jordan.

Which is cool, that's fine but he has to understand why a large chunk of his fans and in my case former fans are extremely disappointed by that route.

I think that his decision on TV was just a slap to the face of Cleveland, and that's what got them brewing. I think if he did it normally, it wouldn't have as much as an effect as it did. But come on, LeBron made Cleveland, he was the face of that city. Miami wouldn't be doing that if Wade left. Wade doesn't have that relationship with Miami(LeBron growing up and doing everything there). I understand why Cleveland is mad and feel kinda bad the way it went down.

But, Miami loves him.

[FirstTimer]

I agree w/ Chicago and New York. I think Chicago lost LeBron when they had said he wouldn't get any special privileges like he received in Cleveland because they didn't do that for Jordan.

According to most of what has come out that was never brought up in Chicago.

I think that his decision on TV was just a slap to the face of Cleveland, and that's what got them brewing. I think if he did it normally, it wouldn't have as much as an effect as it did. But come on, LeBron made Cleveland, he was the face of that city. Miami wouldn't be doing that if Wade left. Wade doesn't have that relationship with Miami(LeBron growing up and doing everything there). I understand why Cleveland is mad and feel kinda bad the way it went down.

But, Miami loves him.

Yeah but if Wade left it woul dahve been for Chicago...his home town. Pretty much almost a reverse situation of Lebron. Miami could be mad...but it would make sense and less of a betrayal.

[jeffx]

You're right. Though I liked Paul. He had a good outside shot for a big man. But you aren't gonna win many titles with him.

Not when you have to deal with Moses Malone and Robert Parrish. After 1979-80, Milwaukee moved to the Eastern Conference where they had nothing but heartbreak.

1980-81 - 60 wins, lost conference semis to Philly 4-3
1981-82 - 55 wins, lost conference semis to Philly 4-2
1982-83 - 51 wins, lost conference finals to Philly 4-1
1983-84 - 50 wins, lost conference finals to Boston 4-1
1984-85 - 59 wins, lost conference semis to Philly 4-0
1985-86 - 57 wins, lost conference finals to Boston 4-0
1986-87 - 50 wins, lost conference semis to Boston 4-3

Bucks wouldn't have another 50-win season until 2000-01, losing the conference finals to Philly in seven games.

[jeffx]

Hard to get over the hump when Paul Mokeski is getting PT...

Not to mention Bob Lanier, Dave Cowens(both on the downside) and Alton Lister(nicknamed 'Alton Listless' by Pete Vescey).

[mgoblue2290]

I've said this before but LeBron just isn't a top dog kind of guy. He wants to have fun and thats fine I guess but when he looks back on his career, I think he'll regret this move. He has the talent to be the greatest ever but not the will, which is a shame.

[jeffx]

I've said this before but LeBron just isn't a top dog kind of guy.

But when you're marketed as 'King', fans expect more.

[mgoblue2290]

But when you're marketed as 'King', fans expect more.

This is part of the problem. Due to marketing campaigns he was basically expected to be the greatest and he's failed. I think LeBron thought a championship would just happen, that it wouldn't be that hard since he was so good and it was expected he'd win a title.

[IamMedellin]

Jordan,Magic,Bird,Kobe

LeBron's not in that conversation anymore

He's in that Pippen, Worthy convo now

[Prodigal Son]

People who say "But, he did it for the championships and not the money" need to shut the fuck up already. The guy is making 111 million. There is a reason that Cavs did a sign and trade. He still did it for the money.

[Miami Flash15]

People who say "But, he did it for the championships and not the money" need to shut the fuck up already. The guy is making 111 million. There is a reason that Cavs did a sign and trade. He still did it for the money.

And the three of them all left $15 million each on the table. Sure, LeBron and Wade will make that back off the court with their sponors, etc. but that says something that all three of them WANT to win. Taking pay-cuts to be able to add supporting players. Wade left that mula on the table with his divorce case going on.

[Fox1994]

I think he just wants to WIN. Isnt that what its all about?

So you guys are telling me if you had the choice to play on a Really good team that is almost guaranteed championships or play on a team that is good but not that much better than the team your already on after you failed 7 years in a row to win a ring. You wouldnt go to the team where your going to win the most?

We understand it as individuals, but he just gave up the chance to be the greatest of all time to be the greatest second-fiddle of all time, the greatest role player of all time, the greatest sidekick of all time.

He's out of the Jordan, Kobe, Magic conversation and... as plenty have said, into the Pippen one.

[IamMedellin]

lol...

all that this did....was enhance Kobe Bryant's reputation
and lessen LeBron's reputation...

by moving on to the Heat LeBron essentually proclaimed " I'm not the guy who can carry a franchise to prominence for the next 10 years, but I can help D-Wade carry his team"

LeBron went there to be Robin, the spot light got too hot in cleveland...so he goes to south beach and shares Dwade's with Bosh now...

LeBron will prolly get rings...But he'll do it as a role player, not the franchise

[FirstTimer]

Ok, I'm sick and tired of seeing asshats on ESPN and ESPN.com commenting on this Jordan stuff and saying "Well what did Jordan win before Pippen?"...What? When the Bulls drafted Pippen Jordan had just finished his third year in the league. Who on God's green Earth expected Jordan to win right away coming to the Chicago fucking Bulls in 1984? I mean it was obvious right after Jordan entered the league the effect he had on the Bulls. They made the playoffs each of his first three seasons and his third season was amazing.

Then some clown on ESPN.com writes an article comparing James going to Miami to Jordan "learning how to pass" later in his career, as if to point out Jordan is being a hypocrite. Yes, Jordan passing to Steve Kerr is the equivalent of James going to join two of the Top 10 players in the NBA..What?

Also, take a peak at the numbers...as Jordan's career went on his assist numbers actually went down. Pre-Championship in Chicago Jordan averaged 5.6 APG. 1st Championship and on he averaged 4.9.(I left out the Washington years) Jordan didn't "learn how to pass", what he did was learn when to pass and he was surrounded by better players as well.

[Primetime]

The difference is, Jordan played on a team that people actually wanted to come to. Everyone seems to forget that LeBron wanted to stay with the Cavs and lure Bosh to come with him. When he couldn't get him, LeBron knew Cleveland was never going to be able to bring in top-tier talent like LA, Boston, Chicago, etc.

[FirstTimer]

The difference is, Jordan played on a team that people actually wanted to come to. Everyone seems to forget that LeBron wanted to stay with the Cavs and lure Bosh to come with him. When he couldn't get him, LeBron knew Cleveland was never going to be able to bring in top-tier talent like LA, Boston, Chicago, etc.

Ok, then go to Chicago and be the man. Don't go to Miami and someone else's team. If Lebron was so worried about Cleveland not being able to get talent and he cared at all about being the GOAT he could have gone to Chicago, New York, or NJ/Brooklyn.