Jordan shares his disappointment of Heat Big Three

[FirstTimer]

Of course they probably talked about the possibility.

Ok...so them talking about it and seeing the money available and saying it could happen it in a way planning for it. No one ever claimed it was THE plan all along but it was a definite option/plan these guys had.

Who wouldn't? LeBron probably talked to Amare, CP3, Carmelo, Bosh, Wade, Dwight Howard, Kwame Brown and Brian Cardinal all about playing together.

Prove it?

People are trying to say it has been there plan since the contracts were signed, which was more than 3 years ago.

Again..there is a difference between A plan and THE plan.

It's pretty well confirmed there was some serious/probing discussions in regards to it going back to at least the 2008 Olympics.. the summer after Riley had started getting rid of players/contracts like Shaq.....

Of course there was the possibility of playing together, but it's retarded to think it's been their concrete plan since 06-07 to play together in Miami in 2010.

Show me where ANYONE said that.

Bucky asked a question..that's not the same thing. A question isn't someone stating it as fact.

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I read somewhere, and forgot where, that Wade, James and Bosh all got together years ago and agreed to make sure all there contracts ended on the same year, so that they could all play together.

To "make sure" all their contracts ended in the same year, which would have been 06-07. Obviously Riley wanted to get that opportunity and that's just being a great GM and putting the pieces together to win a championship. Everything had to work out perfectly in order to get all these guys on the same team and that's something nobody could have planned in 06-07. Nobody was even sure if any team would have to ability to clear enough space to be able to get the three top guys in the 2010 free agent group.

People continue to forget that LeBron was ready to resign with the Cavs had he been able to lure Bosh to Cleveland. If Cleveland was a good place for top free agents, we wouldn't even be talking about this. He wanted to stay in Cleveland, he just couldn't get the guys he needed to bring a championship to the franchise. He wanted to be a Cavalier, but he wanted championships more, so he made his decision when Bosh and Wade signed in Miami and he knew there was no one left in the market that could help him bring a championship to the Cavs.

[Misogi]

So being one of the best passers in league history, especially at the 3, is now a bad thing?

When "quitting" in the fourth quarter, LeBron had 10 pts, 5 rebounds, and 2 assists. This on 3-5 shooting with 2-2 from the charity stripe. That's one hell of a fourth quarter for a guy that quit.

For a regular player., that'd be a good quarter. In a fourth quarter of an elimination game of a guy who's "THE MAN" on his team, and is a perennial all-star, one of the best players in the league, that just won't cut it.

Him being a good passer has very little to do with it in his moment. He should know that, considering he ended a game with 25 straight points before. Now, in your own post, "THE MAN" took only 5 shots in the 4th. Combined with the fact that he's very good at getting to the basket, he only got fouled once, twice at most in that 4th quarter. In those statistics, you can basically extract that the effort wasn't there.

[Misogi]

To "make sure" all their contracts ended in the same year, which would have been 06-07. Obviously Riley wanted to get that opportunity and that's just being a great GM and putting the pieces together to win a championship. Everything had to work out perfectly in order to get all these guys on the same team and that's something nobody could have planned in 06-07. Nobody was even sure if any team would have to ability to clear enough space to be able to get the three top guys in the 2010 free agent group.

People continue to forget that LeBron was ready to resign with the Cavs had he been able to lure Bosh to Cleveland. If Cleveland was a good place for top free agents, we wouldn't even be talking about this. He wanted to stay in Cleveland, he just couldn't get the guys he needed to bring a championship to the franchise. He wanted to be a Cavalier, but he wanted championships more, so he made his decision when Bosh and Wade signed in Miami and he knew there was no one left in the market that could help him bring a championship to the Cavs.

If he wanted to stay in Cleveland, then why did he dodge the Cavaliers all summer? Makes no sense.

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For a regular player., that'd be a good quarter. In a fourth quarter of an elimination game of a guy who's "THE MAN" on his team, and is a perennial all-star, one of the best players in the league, that just won't cut it.

Him being a good passer has very little to do with it in his moment. He should know that, considering he ended a game with 25 straight points before. Now, in your own post, "THE MAN" took only 5 shots in the 4th. Combined with the fact that he's very good at getting to the basket, he only got fouled once, twice at most in that 4th quarter. In those statistics, you can basically extract that the effort wasn't there.

Bryant in game 7 was 1-4 and got fouled 3 times in the 4th quarter. His 4th quarter numbers were 10PTS, 4REBS, 1AST. The fact is, Kobe had the team to back him up when the game meant most, LeBron didn't.

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If he wanted to stay in Cleveland, then why did he dodge the Cavaliers all summer? Makes no sense.

He dodged them when he knew he couldn't get Bosh to Cleveland. Everyone begging for a championship would have.

[Archer]

To "make sure" all their contracts ended in the same year, which would have been 06-07. Obviously Riley wanted to get that opportunity and that's just being a great GM and putting the pieces together to win a championship. Everything had to work out perfectly in order to get all these guys on the same team and that's something nobody could have planned in 06-07. Nobody was even sure if any team would have to ability to clear enough space to be able to get the three top guys in the 2010 free agent group.

People continue to forget that LeBron was ready to resign with the Cavs had he been able to lure Bosh to Cleveland. If Cleveland was a good place for top free agents, we wouldn't even be talking about this. He wanted to stay in Cleveland, he just couldn't get the guys he needed to bring a championship to the franchise. He wanted to be a Cavalier, but he wanted championships more, so he made his decision when Bosh and Wade signed in Miami and he knew there was no one left in the market that could help him bring a championship to the Cavs.

People continue to forget that LeBron was ready to resign with the Cavs had he been able to lure Bosh to Cleveland

No he wasn't. LeBron KNEW Bosh wanted non of Cleveland and every single media person who was anywhere near the LeBron camp knew he had no intention of re-signing with the Cavs.

He wanted to stay in Cleveland, he just couldn't get the guys he needed to bring a championship to the franchise

Yes he wanted to stay so bad that he refused to answer calls or even talk to possible new coaches.

He wanted to be a Cavalier, but he wanted championships more, so he made his decision when Bosh and Wade signed in Miami and he knew there was no one left in the market that could help him bring a championship to the Cavs

He had the same chance in Chicago to win a title and also had a great market in New York to win. The only difference was he would have been needed to run that team in Chicago, not share the spotlight with two others as he put it. In New York he would have had Amare' and a few other peices plus more cap room to come.

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No he wasn't. LeBron KNEW Bosh wanted non of Cleveland and every single media person who was anywhere near the LeBron camp knew he had no intention of re-signing with the Cavs.

He had the same chance in Chicago to win a title and also had a great market in New York to win. The only difference was he would have been needed to run that team in Chicago, not share the spotlight with two others as he put it. In New York he would have had Amare' and a few other peices plus more cap room to come.

When LeBron knew Bosh didn't want a part of Cleveland, neither did LeBron. I don't see what's so bad about that. It's obvious to me, I wouldn't want that either.

And he has a much better chance in Miami than he would have in Chicago or New York.

I guess I just don't understand this chest pounding notion of winning "on your own". The idea is to win, and assembling a great roster certainly increases those odds.

Magic played with 2 or 3 hall of famers, Bird played with 4 or 5, Jordan played with a top 50 hof'er for six titles and Rodman for three of those six, Thomas had Rodman and Dumars, Kobe won nothing without Shaq or Gasol, so what's the big deal?

These three guys all took less money to win. We rip athletes all the time for doing the opposite. Fans are hypocrites who will never be happy. LeBron shit on Cleveland, but if Miami wins titles, there is nothing cheap about it. I think the Lakers making a lopsided joke of a trade for Gasol is far more "cheap" than three players sacraficing money/stats/personal accolaides for titles.

Its time to lay off LeBron. They still have to win the games.

This post explains greatly why LeBron would make the move.

[Archer]

When LeBron knew Bosh didn't want a part of Cleveland, neither did LeBron. I don't see what's so bad about that. It's obvious to me, I wouldn't want that either.

And he has a much better chance in Miami than he would have in Chicago or New York.



This post explains greatly why LeBron would make the move.

So why not tell Cleveland when Bosh said no? Why make them watch a shitty hour long show to find out?

I don't hate on LeBron for leaving, I really don't. I hate on him for not telling the Cavs earlier and making sure to fuck them on national TV in the meantime.

[Primetime]

So why not tell Cleveland when Bosh said no? Why make them watch a shitty hour long show to find out?

I don't hate on LeBron for leaving, I really don't. I hate on him for not telling the Cavs earlier and making sure to fuck them on national TV in the meantime.

Obviously "The Decision" was a stupid idea. I don't think anyone will disagree with that (Except the boys and girls club). Could he have handled the situation better? Of course. But you can't hate the guy for wanting to win.

[FirstTimer]

First off... Nice work trying to not post the question...Here's what Bucky said:

I read somewhere, and forgot where, that Wade, James and Bosh all got together years ago and agreed to make sure all there contracts ended on the same year, so that they could all play together.

Somebody in this thread said that James signed a three year extension on his last contract with Cleveland. That fits in with what I read.

Anybody else hear anything about this, or is it just internet gossip?

To "make sure" all their contracts ended in the same year, which would have been 06-07.

Yeah and it's established they spoke about it and set it up that way...and as few as two years later were already dsicussing the chance of all playing together while at the Olympics....

Obviously Riley wanted to get that opportunity and that's just being a great GM and putting the pieces together to win a championship. Everything had to work out perfectly in order to get all these guys on the same team and that's something nobody could have planned in 06-07.

Again.... No one said it was an iron clad plan years ago. Nobody. Bucky asked a question absed on something he read somewhere and even thought it was rumor.

No one said it was THE plan..yet again it was a A plan/option.

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People continue to forget that LeBron was ready to resign with the Cavs had he been able to lure Bosh to Cleveland.

Yeah Lebron was so "ready" to sign with Cleveland that he barely spoke to them after the playoff loss....

Also if Lebron and Bosh were talkign as much as they were it's obvious Lebron woul dhave known a long time ago that Bosh would want nothing to do with Cleveland. You think Bohs just dropped that bombshell in June? Don't be naive.

If Cleveland was a good place for top free agents, we wouldn't even be talking about this.

Maybe..maybe not. Even if Cleveland could have lured Bosh and James the looming spectre of all three being able in Miami with Riley's pitch of Lebron being Magic(which is something he always wanted apparently) would have been tough to overturn. You assume WAY too much.

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First off... Nice work trying to not post the question...Here's what Bucky said:




Yeah and it's established they spoke about it and set it up that way...and as few as two years later were already dsicussing the chance of all playing together while at the Olympics....



Again.... No one said it was an iron clad plan years ago. Nobody. Bucky asked a question absed on something he read somewhere and even thought it was rumor.

No one said it was THE plan..yet again it was a A plan/option.

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Yeah Lebron was so "ready" to sign with Cleveland that he barely spoke to them after the playoff loss....


Maybe..maybe not. Even if Cleveland could have lured Bosh and James the looming spectre of all three being able in Miami with Riley's pitch of Lebron being Magic(which is something he always wanted apparently) would have been tough to overturn. You assume WAY too much.

I wasn't answering the question, I was commenting on the statement posted. Players talk about playing together every year, this is nothing new. The only thing new about it is the fact that it actually happened.

I'm not assuming anything, simply stating what I've read and the words from LeBron's mouth. He said himself he would have stayed with Cleveland had he been able to lure Bosh in.

[Primetime]

LeBron James wants to stay in Cleveland and he wants Chris Bosh to join him. That, according to ESPN's Chris Broussard. According to Broussard, part of the reason there has been a delay in LeBron's announcement is he is trying to convince Bosh to come to Cleveland with him.

Another report from Broussard about it.

[Archer]

Obviously "The Decision" was a stupid idea. I don't think anyone will disagree with that (Except the boys and girls club). Could he have handled the situation better? Of course. But you can't hate the guy for wanting to win.

I know you are a LeBron lover/defender but honestly

Do you REALLY think LeBron thought Bosh wanted to join him in Cleveland? It stinks of a line thrown out by his people to soften the blow of him leaving. Bosh only told them 10million times in the lead up to FA that he had no intention of going to the Cavs.

I refuse to think LeBron was doing anything other than playing Cleveland this whole time [over FA]. I think he knew a good year ago that if he didn't win a title this year he was done. I don't think a simple message before bolting is too much to ask

[Archer]

Another report from Broussard about it.

Saying and meaning is two different things