Is Derrick Rose becoming the best PG in the NBA?

[NAHSTE]

Saying the PG is responsible for the rest of the team playing well....lol

Well, typically, that is a PG's job ... Ask Boris Diaw and Shawn Marion how that works.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Lol @ the disrespect for Steve Nash in this thread.

[KNUBB]

Lol @ the disrespect for Steve Nash in this thread.

He is white therefore he has no say in the nigga dominant game of basketball

[NAHSTE]

Lol @ the disrespect for Steve Nash in this thread.

I'm just assuming they mean "young PG" when I see threads like this. Everyone knows the Snash is the best.

[FirstTimer]

When I think of PG's taking a lot of shots I think of Allen Iverson. Iverson had the stats year in and out, but due to him being a scorer before a PG. That is what I am seeing in Rose right now. He is a scorer before a PG. I will be impressed if he holds up 8APG

I guess?...except Allen Iverson and Derrick Rose are completely different styles of players and Eric Snow was actually the PG on that 76ers team.

Iverson at his peak was taking 25-27 shots per game and shooting in the low 40's % wise. Rose is taking 22 shots per game shooting in the mid to upper 40's % wise wit 8+ APG on a team missing isn't second scoring option at the time. Comparing Rose to a guy like Iverson or even Marbury isn't really a great comparison as they have different styles and it's ignoring the current composition of this Bulls team.

[G-men]

Juggernaut, tell me one thing about DWill's game that is better than CP3's because he is pretty much the clear cut all around top PG in the league right now. Not flaming you, I just wanna know what makes you think that.

[Buzzman]

I wish Rodney Stuckey was as good as Rondo.

[KNUBB]

I guess?...except Allen Iverson and Derrick Rose are completely different styles of players and Eric Snow was actually the PG on that 76ers team.

Iverson at his peak was taking 25-27 shots per game and shooting in the low 40's % wise. Rose is taking 22 shots per game shooting in the mid to upper 40's % wise wit 8+ APG on a team missing isn't second scoring option at the time. Comparing Rose to a guy like Iverson or even Marbury isn't really a great comparison as they have different styles and it's ignoring the current composition of this Bulls team.

Their styles are different due to differing physical tools, but the numbers are closer than you are making it out to be.

[Juggernaut]

Juggernaut, tell me one thing about DWill's game that is better than CP3's because he is pretty much the clear cut all around top PG in the league right now. Not flaming you, I just wanna know what makes you think that.

IMO, he's a better man defender. He's 3 inches taller and about 30 pounds heavier, yet roughly the same speed. If I can only have one superstar on my team, I take CP3. But if I'm choosing a point based around (team) defense, then I pick Dwill.

[Rudi]

If he keeps producing the way he has so far this season then he can be considered on the same tier as DWill/CP3/Rondo/Nash...but he's just on a hot streak right now (One that I am loving because he is on my Fantasy squad)

[KNUBB]

IMO, he's a better man defender. He's 3 inches taller and about 30 pounds heavier, yet roughly the same speed. If I can only have one superstar on my team, I take CP3. But if I'm choosing a point based around (team) defense, then I pick Dwill.

The only time CP is ever a liability in defense is if he gets posted up. Which I guess where the 30 pounds play a big role, but as far as perimeter D I would give that edge to CP.

[FirstTimer]

Their styles are different due to differing physical tools, but the numbers are closer than you are making it out to be.

No they aren't.

That you even say that after admitting that the playing styles are completely different shows now you are just talking out of your ass trying to prove your point...and failing miserably at doing so.

Their playing styles and positions are completely different. Trying to evaluate them and compare them on numbers alone(which isn't even a comparison anyways as they aren't even similar) would miss the point entirely if it could even be done..which it can't.

[KNUBB]

No they aren't.

That you even say that after admitting that the playing styles are completely different shows now you are just talking out of your ass trying to prove your point...and failing miserably at doing so.

Their playing styles and positions are completely different. Trying to evaluate them and compare them on numbers alone(which isn't even a comparison anyways as they aren't even similar) would miss the point entirely if it could even be done..which it can't.

AI was pretty much the point guard. He called and ran all of the plays(Which is what the PG does) and how can you say their numbers are not close to each other

In year 3 for arguments sake AI averaged

26.8 PPG, 4.9RPG, 4.6APG(Rose will be around 6 by years end), 41%FG, and 3.48TO.

So in points, rebounds, and turnovers they are just about the same. Care to tell me where they aren't similar.

[FirstTimer]

AI was pretty much the point guard.

Odd.

Most any NBA analyst evaluates him at the 2 guard. Including him being in the Top 10 of some greatest SG of all time lists.

26.8 PPG, 4.9RPG, 4.6APG(Rose will be around 6 by years end), 41%FG, and 3.48TO.

You have no clue what you are talking about....I'm starting to question your sanity....

1. Why would Rose's assists go down if when Boozer comes back? Any logical basketball observer would figure Rose's shot attempts would come down as Boozer would take on more of the offensive load. If Rose's shot attempts go down and the Bulls get a high efficiency scorer in the post and in the pick and roll one could only reason that Rose's assist numbers would go up...not down. If Rose's shot attempts go down it's also reasonable to assume his scoring drops off a bit as well so there goes your PPG argument. I also love how you completely overlook that Iverson's 3rd season was the lockout shortened year and his 26.8 PPG actually lead the league in scoring. Rose scoring 26PPG(So far this season) =/= to Iverson scoring 26PPG in a 48 game lockout shortened season. It's called relativity. Bravo on that.

So your "argument" is essentially that Rose will continue to average 26 PPG on much better shooting once Boozer comes back and starts taking shots away from Rose and even though Rose is at the point and an efficient post scorer returns to the team his assist numbers will drop by roughly 25%. Tremendous "argument".

2. I LOL at your complete and utter lack of logic. You are comparing a high volume low efficiency scorer at SG to a higher efficiency PG running a different system, on a different team, in a league with different rules. If the playing styles aren't comparable how can you seriously entertain trying to compare them statistically and make any semblance of a logical point when the way they came about those stats is so utterly differently stylistically? No basketball observer in their right mind after watching both Iverson and Rose play over any period of time would say their games resemble each other at all or even try and take any sort of meaning from comparing their stats as they came/come about them in such drastically different ways. 1. The stats aren't "similar". 2. They don't exist in a vacuum.

Seriously. Have people around here gone insane?

[Juggernaut]

we've been insane for a while, where have you been?