Fab 5 Documentary. March 13th on ESPN 8pm CST

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  • ralaw
    Posts too much
    • Feb 2009
    • 6663

    #16
    Jalen Rose criticizes Duke in upcoming Fab Five documentary

    Almost two decades after they last suited up for a game together in their trademark black socks, black shoes and baggy yellow shorts, Michigan's Fab Five still has the ability to command headlines.

    Sunday's debut of ESPN's all-inclusive documentary "The Fab Five" has generated buzz from coast-to-coast, especially after the network aired a clip from the movie on Tuesday featuring some inflammatory comments about Duke.

    Reflecting on how they felt before the 1992 national title game against the Blue Devils, Jalen Rose, Jimmy King and Ray Jackson each said they wanted to beat Duke more than any other opponent.

    "For me, Duke was personal. I hated Duke and I hated everything I felt Duke stood for," Rose said in the film. "Schools like Duke didn't recruit players like me. I felt like they only recruited black players that were Uncle Toms."

    "The faces of Duke, I didn't like them," King said.

    "I hated Duke. I hated Duke," Ray Jackson added.

    In an interview with ESPN's "First Take" on Tuesday, Rose clarified that his comments were how he felt as an 18-year-old, but he didn't back off them entirely.

    "Certain schools recruit a typical kind of player whether the world admits it or not. And Duke is one of those schools," he said. "They recruit black players from polished families, accomplished families. And that's fine. That's OK. But when you're an inner-city kid playing in a public school league, you know that certain schools aren't going to recruit you. That's one. And I'm OK with it. That's how I felt as an 18-year-old kid."
    A phone call to Duke on Wednesday afternoon seeking a response to Rose's criticism was not immediately returned.

    The jabs at Duke are just one of the intriguing elements of what's being billed as the most candid and thorough look at the Fab Five that has ever been produced. The 100-minute documentary also touches on everything from the Ed Martin scandal, to Ray Jackson talking about being "the fifth wheel," to the cultural impact of one of college basketball's most famous teams.

    Since Rose helped produce the documentary for ESPN, it features nearly every principal and periphery figure in the Fab Five's rise except one: Chris Webber. Rose told the Detroit Free Press that he and his former teammates tried several times to persuade Webber to sit for an interview with no success.

    "It was more than one swing at him [participating], it was the whole Detroit Tigers' up-and-down-the-lineup worth of swings," Rose said.

    Even without Webber's presence, however, the documentary should be gripping TV.

    Rose has hyped the project as the "bible" of the Fab Five. We'll find out Sunday if it lives up to that billing.

    Jalen Rose criticizes Duke in upcoming Fab Five documentary - The Dagger - NCAAB - Yahoo! Sports
    I don't know about others, but this is how I felt growing up about Duke.

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    • FirstTimer
      Freeman Error

      • Feb 2009
      • 18729

      #17
      Sucks Webber won't be in it.

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      • Senser81
        VSN Poster of the Year
        • Feb 2009
        • 12804

        #18
        Originally posted by ralaw
        I don't know about others, but this is how I felt growing up about Duke.
        I don't disagree with what Rose said, but its not only true of Duke, its also true of pretty much every Big10 school (with the possible exception of Minnesota). They all have academic standards, and none of them really recruit inner-city kids. Michigan especially had high academic standards. I think they made an exception with Rumeal Robinson, but for the most part they recruited kids from 'polished families'. Steve Fisher broke the mold because he was corrupt and didn't care.

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        • DJ Rhude
          #42 G.O.A.T.
          • Feb 2009
          • 4359

          #19
          Looking forward to it, but I wonder why Webber didn't want to participate.....just about every kid rooted for those guys whether you were a Michigan fan or not......

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          • ralaw
            Posts too much
            • Feb 2009
            • 6663

            #20
            Originally posted by DJ Rhude
            Looking forward to it, but I wonder why Webber didn't want to participate.....just about every kid rooted for those guys whether you were a Michigan fan or not......
            The link below provides some insight into why. Its my understanding that Webber is still a little bitter about how UM handled the situation and how he feels people around UM see him as the reason why the school was issues sanctions.

            DETROIT (AP) -- The two-year Fab Five era that featured teen-age swagger, promise, failure and eventually the taint of scandal at Michigan has been chronicled in a two-hour documentary to be aired on ESPN.

            The project, produced by Detroit native Jalen Rose, a member of that heralded 1991 freshman class, will be aired Sunday night.

            "The story of the Fab Five really has never been told," Rose said. "This is almost like the Bible of the Fab 5 story."

            Rose approached ESPN Films about the project, and brought Juwan Howard, Ray Jackson and Jimmy King into the effort. The documentary will include home video, photos and interviews with coaches and players.

            Great things were expected when the five All-Americans stepped onto the school's Ann Arbor campus. Along with wins, the group brought an attitude not yet seen in college basketball. They wore long, baggy shorts, black socks and played with a flair more closely resembling playground basketball than the structured college game.

            Rose said the film is not just about what happened on the court during the group's two brief years together in Ann Arbor before Chris Webber entered the NBA in 1993, and then was followed in 1994 by Howard and Rose.

            Missing from the project is Webber, the team's superstar and part of a federal probe into money laundering. That investigation led to NCAA penalties and sanctions on the basketball program.

            "At this point in Chris' life, he's not ready to talk about what happened at that time. It's still a sore spot for him," Rose said Tuesday during a media conference call. "Him not being a part of it in 2011 does not affect the integrity of it at all. The story still was going to be documented and it's still going to be told in a truthful manner. We felt it was something the fans have been clamoring for."

            The Fab Five's legacy, including their consecutive runs to the NCAA title game, have been overshadowed over much of the past decade by the scandal. Prosecutors said now-deceased booster Ed Martin gave Webber, Maurice Taylor, Robert Traylor and Louis Bullock more than $600,000 while they were student-athletes.


            As part of self-imposed sanctions, Michigan took down banners -- including those for the 1992 and 1993 Final Fours -- and tucked them away in the basement of a library on campus. The school has largely avoided touting the Fab Five's legacy to boost its basketball program.Rose, Webber and Howard went on to long, successful careers in the NBA. The Associated Press left an e-mail message Tuesday seeking comment from Webber.
            Ex-Wolverine Jalen Rose discusses film about Fab 5

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            • Pills
              Go Blue!
              • Mar 2009
              • 598

              #21
              Saw a commercial for this last week. Oddly, my FIL is in from Ann Arbor, so I'm sure we'll be watching together.

              First game I was at was the first Duke game in our collective freshman year. We had some amazing seats to later games; you'll probably see me in the crowd wearing some flannel with long hair and an earring. When we beat Indiana in one of the last home games that year, Webber jumped up on the scorer's table not 6 feet from where we were, which was a few rows behind the Indiana bench.

              I still remember knowing it was over. It was the last game junior year. I forgot who we were playing, but we were blowing someone out, and the scrubs were coming in. One was waiting, and waiting, and waiting, with the crowd chanting his name. Finally, Jalen committed a foul, to the tremendous cheers of the crowd. We then started chanting "Thank you, Jalen!", as he waved to the crowd and took his seat. That was the moment - it didn't feel like we were thanking him for committing the foul, but for his three years.

              Side note - one of the guys way down the bench lived in my apartment building that year. He scored 15 that game, and was actually featured on Sportscenter.
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              • NAHSTE
                Probably owns the site
                • Feb 2009
                • 22233

                #22
                I listened to the Simmons podcast with Jalen Rose today, it had some really great stuff. I'm even more excited for this now.

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                • Pills
                  Go Blue!
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 598

                  #23
                  I recorded the first showing, and it's on again...

                  Holy shit, I'm reliving my freshman year right now. This is crazy.
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                  • Rudi
                    #CyCueto
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 9905

                    #24
                    Documentary was awesome.

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                    • NAHSTE
                      Probably owns the site
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 22233

                      #25
                      Fuck, I missed this. When's it on again?

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                      • LiquidLarry2GhostWF
                        Highwayman
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 15429

                        #26
                        This was an awesome 30for30. Maybe the best.

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                        • mcstl25
                          M-Castle
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 2434

                          #27
                          Great documentary. Michigan was my favorite college team when I was a kid, mostly because of the fab 5. Pretty cool to relive it as an adult.

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                          • Rudi
                            #CyCueto
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 9905

                            #28
                            Jalen Rose was dat dude.

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                            • Mogriffjr
                              aka Reece
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 2759

                              #29
                              funny...Duke was recruiting Webber hard...but Duke doesn't recruit inner city kids....
                              Originally posted by Nick Mangold
                              Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate.

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                              • NAHSTE
                                Probably owns the site
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 22233

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Mogriffjr
                                funny...Duke was recruiting Webber hard...but Duke doesn't recruit inner city kids....
                                But Chris Webber wasn't as rough around the edges as the rest of the five, and he went to a private high school called Detroit Country Day. He was more of the "Duke profile" than say, Jalen or Juwan.

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