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Oh yeah, because the NBA, of all leagues, knows what they are doing in the draft...WOAT league for drafting...they reach more than a baby at a pacifier.
I got Kanter at the top. You would rarely see me rate a PG as the #1 player in the draft...why? Especially one with such a low ceiling as Irving...he just won't ever be better than middle of the pack as a PG. He doesn't have the physical talents or skill of a D-Will or Chris Paul or Rajon Rondo or a Derrick Rose. He's more of a guy that has a Mike Conley like ceiling. I mean, that isn't #1 overall good in any draft...I take a big regardless...you need to be awful like Mike Olowokandi to not be serviceable. I mean Kwame f'n Brown is a serviceable big man that will regularly get "big contract" just to be a reserve big man in a league devoid of big men.
If I'm the Cavs...and I'm getting Kanter @ #4, I'd take Williams #1, take Kanter #4 and go get a "serviceable" point guard, maybe a veteran to fill the need.Comment
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Go Irving.
As a Duke fan who saw him play, he has the total offensive package. Can shoot from 3, can drive (he's more quick than fast), and will shoot 85-90% from the FT line. Not to mention he loves to attack the rim and has excellent vision. I just think it's stupid that some people think he's not a franchise changing type PG because he can't dunk like Rose and really that's all he CAN'T do. He'll come in already a better shooter than Rose, and Kyrie plays good defense. Meh...Originally posted by Nick MangoldComment
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And even with all that ... He'd still be looking at a best case scenario of 8th team All NBA.
Meanwhile if Kanter fulfills his potential (which I don't get how this is unheard of, he was good enough to sign with Kentucky as a recruit) he's a top 5 big man in a league devoid of them.
I get that Irving is a sure thing but would you rather a 70% chance of getting a 2nd-tier PG or a 40% chance of getting an elite big?
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Where have you guys seen this dominating potential of Kanter? He has good hands but it's not like he has shown off a polished post game or anything, and he is not particularly athletic. Just curious.Comment
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On report says the Spurs are trying to push Tony Parker to teams in an effort to acquire a lottery pick.
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Kanter has too much bust potential to me. He has had a year off in essence not playing so that's a risk. Plus I think cleveland doesn't want to build around a relative unknown.
And who's to say Kyrie can't become the best PG in the NBA?Originally posted by Nick MangoldComment
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The 4-5 or so PGs in the league who are all under 28 who are better than him.
I still have to LOL that people are penalizing Kanter for being an "unknown" when he signed with one of the biggest college programs in the country.
Does 11 games of experience in a watered down college season really make Irving that much more of a sure thing than Kanter? Calipari signed this kid for a reason less than a year ago. (You know the same coach who signed Demarcus Cousins and John Wall and Derrick Rose and Marcus Camby and ...)
I'm not saying Kanter is a sure thing but everyone is pretending like he's this mysterious figure who nobody has ever seen before when in actuality he played a year of high school ball here and was on his way to an NBA factory for college before being derailed.Comment
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Whether he'll be the best PG out of this class is still up for debate. I could easily see Brandon Knight emerge in 5 years as a beast, or even Kemba.
But why pass one of the top two talents in the draft, even if center is a more scarce spot?
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Cleveland should definitely aim for Williams at #1 and Kanter at #4. How Irving is even in consideration for them shows how piss-poor their management is.
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John Wall is praying at night for this deal to happen.One potential scenario has the Wizards giving up Nos. 6 and 18 for the No. 4 pick. The caveat? Enes Kanter has to be there at No. 4 for the Wizards. If he's not, there's no deal.Comment
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Oh ok the 4-5...listen he's already gonna come into the league and be one of the better PG's, just because of his package as a player. IMO he's already one of the complete PG's...it's funny...is it because he can't fly out the gym like a John Wall/Derrick Rose? Is that the only reason he's being penalized? Because I find that absurd.
Trying to build around an UNKNOWN big is very dangerous. Besides Howard, what big man has propelled his team towards the upper echelon of teams? Can't count Dirk, he plays on the wing/perimeter and I'm pretty sure Kanter doesn't play like Dirk.
Meanwhile you get Kyrie, who I feel is the best PG in this class bar none...build around him. Teams lately have more success with this idealogy than building around a big man. Bulls/Hornets/Jazz have had more recent success than the likes of the Bucks.
The Cavs are devoid of serious talent. And they will need a point to eventually get where they need to go. IMO you either go with Irving or Williams. If you go Irving with 4 you can grab a big. Or if you go Williams, you grab a PG with #4.Originally posted by Nick MangoldComment
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I agree with ATB and Mo on this....Irving is very good prospect...don't be fooled by him missing some time in college or playing at an elite program. Irving will be a very good PG in the NBA. He's the entire package....he has vision, speed, athleticism, can shoot, can pass, etc. He's a very good prospect...and certainly better than any other PG prospect in the draft.
Kanter is a good player, but in a league devoid of good bigmen..... if a 6'11, 270 big-man is slotted behind two PG's and a combo forward that should tell you something.
More than likely Kanter is going to be there at #4, so why not take the best PG prospect 1st and then still get the best PF/C prospect? Strategy wise it makes the most sense to take Irving and then Kanter.Comment
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