Syracuse Coach Bernie Fine Under Investigation

[ralaw]

You can't be serious. I think at that point he really didn't have a choice, did he?

Larry said it best:

Boeheim's reaction is common...his right hand man was accused of being a pedo, and Boeheim, seeing this story as being shady as hell (which it is, although, it seems there is a lot of truth to it), backs his right hand man like most people would do if it was their best friend with the same accusations...

As more and more information comes out, seemingly, Fine IS a kid toucher, Boeheim, coming to terms with it, initiates a press release saying what he said.

Well I'll say this then. If Paterno heard a taped phone conversation from Sandusky's wife implicating him in the molestation if these victims, he would have handled it differently.

Actually, we know what Paterno would have done…….he would have continued to let his assistant coach use the facility to rape children.

No, he was fired because the public PERCIEVED him as enabling a child predator. There's an actual investigation happening as we speak to determine that by the NCAA and the university.

Was Paterno not aware of Sandusky’s history and told directly what happened in the PSU locker room? I know, I know he reported it up didn’t he…..did his part right? Paterno isn’t a victim here, so please stop with the “media blitz” is the only reason he was fired.

[shag773]

Actually, we know what Paterno would have done…….he would have continued to let his assistant coach use the facility to rape children.

That comment is too stupid to even comment on.

Was Paterno not aware of Sandusky’s history and told directly what happened in the PSU locker room? I know, I know he reported it up didn’t he…..did his part right?

I don't know what he knew, and neither do you.

Paterno isn’t a victim here, so please stop with the “media blitz” is the only reason he was fired.

A member of Board of Trustees admitted they fired Paterno because of the public outcry, not because of any concrete evidence against him. Has nothing to do with whether he's a victim or not, just stating facts.

Getting back on topic, if you really think Boeheim would have handled this any differently if the media wasn't all over this because of the PSU scandal, then I don't think you were really listening to what he was saying last week.

[ralaw]

That comment is too stupid to even comment on.

Please explain.....

I don't know what he knew, and neither do you.

What are you talking about?

You don’t think Paterno was aware that his assistant coach was banned from bringing kids to the facility? You don’t think Paterno was aware of what was going on when he was specifically told by McQueary what happened?

A member of Board of Trustees admitted they fired Paterno because of the public outcry, not because of any concrete evidence against him. Has nothing to do with whether he's a victim or not, just stating facts.

Do you not realize what caused the public outcry? Universities don’t fire people because of the public. Paterno was fired because his program was involved in a cover up and was enabling a child predator. This is what caused the public outcry! There was no way Paterno was going to make it out of this with his job.

Getting back on topic, if you really think Boeheim would have handled this any differently if the media wasn't all over this because of the PSU scandal, then I don't think you were really listening to what he was saying last week.

Maybe you don’t understand the Syracuse case. You have to understand the context of Beoheim's comments. Beoheim's comments on November 18th were based on the earlier investigation (old information) in which turned up nothing. Once the tape surfaced (new information) he changed his stance and apologized.

2002: Davis calls Syracuse police to report he was abused by Fine.
2002: Davis contacts The Post-Standard and alleges Fine abused him.
2002: Davis secretly records a phone call with Fine’s wife, Laurie.
2003: After a six-month investigation, The Post-Standard tells Davis that the paper did not plan to publish his accusations against Fine at that time because it could not corroborate his claims.
2003: Davis contacts ESPN and alleges Fine molested him.
2005: SU conducts an internal investigation into Davis’ allegations that he was sexually abused by Fine. It finds no wrongdoing by Fine.

Nov. 10, 2011: Danielle Roach tells Syracuse police a friend of hers was abused by Fine.
Nov. 17, 2011: Davis and Roach talk to Syracuse police. Roach gives Syracuse police a copy of Davis’ recorded phone call with Laurie Fine. ESPN airs story in which Davis and his stepbrother, Mike Lang, accuse Fine of molesting them as children. Syracuse police confirm they are investigating sex abuse allegations against Fine. SU puts Fine on administrative leave.
Nov. 18, 2011: Beoheim going off of 2002-2005 information accuses Davis of lying.
Nov. 27, 2011 – ESPN airs Davis phone call to Fine’s’ wife.
Nov. 27, 2011 – Amid knew information Boeheim recants earlier statement and apologizes.

This story isn't about Paterno, so he shouldn't be brought up. Just because Paterno was fired doesn't mean Beoheim and everyone after Paterno should be treated the same. You have to take each by a case by case basis. Fine's alleged molestation and public reaction or lact thereof as compared to Penn State doesn't mean Paterno/Penn State are all of a sudden victims.

[NAHSTE]

This story is off the damn wall.

Have you heard about the second accuser who just came out? Now his dad is calling him a liar, but it turns out that the new accuser's dad ALSO has a pedo accusation out there, from some 14 year old in New Hampshire.

Fuckin weirdos, all around in this situation.

Sums it up quite well.

[shag773]

Please explain.....

I've explained all this ad nauseum in the actual Paterno thread. All I'll say is, if think you have enough information to say something like that then fine. I shouldn't of said your comment was stupid and I apologize. I'll just say I disagree with the context of your comment and leave it at that.

What are you talking about?

You don’t think Paterno was aware that his assistant coach was banned from bringing kids to the facility? You don’t think Paterno was aware of what was going on when he was specifically told by McQueary what happened?

At this point what McQueary said to PSU in 2002 and what the DA decided to put into the Grand Jury report were and still are points of contention at this point. Again, if you think you have anough information to say those things, thats fine. I don't.

Do you not realize what caused the public outcry? Universities don’t fire people because of the public. Paterno was fired because his program was involved in a cover up and was enabling a child predator. This is what caused the public outcry! There was no way Paterno was going to make it out of this with his job.

Ive said on here that I understood he had to go. But how could they fire him for a cover up that hasn't even been proven yet? He was charged, tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. He hasn't even had the chance to give his side of the story yet.

Maybe you don’t understand the Syracuse case. You have to understand the context of Beoheim's comments. Beoheim's comments on November 18th were based on the earlier investigation (old information) in which turned up nothing. Once the tape surfaced (new information) he changed his stance and apologized.

I understood the Syracuse case just fine. Boeheim acted irresponsibly by coming out and vehemently trashing that victim. Let's just hope he really didn't know what was going on with a guy he's known for almost 50 years.

[nflman2033]

Davis said he was molested by Fine until he was around 27 years old.

WTF, that just doesn't sound right to me, I mean after 18 its no longer child molestation.

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I'm tellin ya'll...Fine is a weird dude that molests kids, and his wife is a knowing enabler, but there was a legit relationship going on with this Davis character with both of them. Davis was obviously with Fine's wife, and Fine paying for school + giving this kid a place to live/stay isn't the mark of a ruthless predator. Guy had a relationship with these folks.

[BigBucs]

Boeheim on the other hand has scoffed at the victims allegations until yesterday. He publicly endorsed the innocence of this sick fuck. But I'm supposed to believe he would come forward to the authorities if he was in the same situation as Paterno right?

Right....

How can u condemn him for this if he genuinely didnt know? I would expect him to stand by his staff is he was really oblivious to any wrong doing.

[BigBucs]

I'm tellin ya'll...Fine is a weird dude that molests kids, and his wife is a knowing enabler, but there was a legit relationship going on with this Davis character with both of them. Davis was obviously with Fine's wife, and Fine paying for school + giving this kid a place to live/stay isn't the mark of a ruthless predator. Guy had a relationship with these folks.

I dont know if its a ploy for money and I dont want to come out as an asshole because they took advantage of the him when he was a kid but the guy repeatedly stayed over their house, he went to Fine for money knowing what the stipulations would be, he had a sexual relationship with Fines wife seemingly treating her as a confidant and he allowed himself to be violated until 27.

At some point the victim has to take some responsibility when they hit a certain age. I dont know what role the guys parents played in the situation but someone commented earlier that his dad has an accuser out there so it could be some kind of NAMBLA situation where the guys dad allowed it. IDK, just speculating.

[s@ppisgod]

I'm tellin ya'll...Fine is a weird dude that molests kids, and his wife is a knowing enabler, but there was a legit relationship going on with this Davis character with both of them. Davis was obviously with Fine's wife, and Fine paying for school + giving this kid a place to live/stay isn't the mark of a ruthless predator. Guy had a relationship with these folks.

Entirely possible.

I read this one wrong, that's for sure. Davis just came off as SUCH a weirdo in that interview and the timing and the story only being corroborated (sp?) by people who were close to him.
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[FirstTimer]

Fuck ESPN in all this.

They had that tape for 8 fucking years?

[jeffx]

Fuck ESPN in all this.

They had that tape for 8 fucking years?

...and we all know why they sat on it, too.

[FirstTimer]

...and we all know why they sat on it, too.

[ralaw]

Fuck ESPN in all this.

They had that tape for 8 fucking years?

Where did you hear that from? It was my understanding that Davis sat on the tape for 8 years. ESPN knew of the story (but not the tape), but the reason they didn't report it was because they couldn't find anyone to corroborate Davis' claims. Davis gave names, but none of those people would confirm his side of the story. Had ESPN had the tape of Fine's wife basically admitting what happened they probably would have reported a long time ago.

[FirstTimer]

Where did you hear that from?

chicitysports.com

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/29/bernie-fine-scandal-espn-recording-bobby-davis-syracuse_n_1119359.html

Davis had surreptitiously recorded the telephone conversation in October 2002 and shared the recordings with ESPN and the Syracuse Post-Standard in 2003. ESPN chose not to include the recording in the original "Outside The Lines" report on the allegations that aired Nov. 17 of this year.