Syracuse Coach Bernie Fine Under Investigation

[Warner2BruceTD]

Apparently it's perfectly acceptable for Boeheim to be distrustful of the information he was given, and to back his friend, but Paterno is the devil for basically doing the same thing (despite Paterno actually doing more by reporting up, when he could have literally done nothing).

I find it hard to believe Boeheim didn't know about the phone call. I find it hard to believe he didn't know Fine was hanging around with the kid and had him living in his house.

Amazing the pass he is getting after people nailed Paterno to the wall. Paterno just had to know, yet Boeheim was completely clueless. OK.

Sandusky was investigated in 2002, nothing came of it, and was never arrested. Fine was investigated years ago, nothing came of it, and has not been arrested. I have no problem with either man being defensive of their longtime friend. Paterno eventually shut his trap and hired a lawyer when it became obvious Sandusky was a creep. Boeheim is still being smug and defensive. If you wanted Paterno out, I don't see how you shouldn't be calling for Boeheim's head, too.

[Kuzzy Powers]

Im still so worn out from the discussion in the Paterno thread that I dont have the energy to call for Boeheim's head in the same fashion.

[NAHSTE]

Apparently it's perfectly acceptable for Boeheim to be distrustful of the information he was given, and to back his friend, but Paterno is the devil for basically doing the same thing (despite Paterno actually doing more by reporting up, when he could have literally done nothing).

I find it hard to believe Boeheim didn't know about the phone call. I find it hard to believe he didn't know Fine was hanging around with the kid and had him living in his house.

Amazing the pass he is getting after people nailed Paterno to the wall. Paterno just had to know, yet Boeheim was completely clueless. OK.

Sandusky was investigated in 2002, nothing came of it, and was never arrested. Fine was investigated years ago, nothing came of it, and has not been arrested. I have no problem with either man being defensive of their longtime friend. Paterno eventually shut his trap and hired a lawyer when it became obvious Sandusky was a creep. Boeheim is still being smug and defensive. If you wanted Paterno out, I don't see how you shouldn't be calling for Boeheim's head, too.

I get what you are saying, but a big difference is that Sandusky was caught in the Penn St. locker room multiple times. That's the kind of stuff that you assume would get reported back to the head coach. From what it sounds like, Fine was committing his atrocities at home.

Anyway, from what it sounds like, Laurie Fine was sexually involved with a lot of players over the years so that sort of widespread thing might ultimately fall on Jimmy B.

[ralaw]

You have to take it case by case. It can't be, "You blamed and fired Paterno, so we have to do the same with Boeheim......it just doesn't work like that. Any reasonable person should understand that. Also, on one side you have a Grand Jury Investigation and witnesses and on the other hand you just have allegations (although I believe them to be true). If it comes out or if facts align enough to believe that Boeheim knew of this I'm sure he'll be treated the same way.

[Warner2BruceTD]

You have to take it case by case. It can't be, "You blamed and fired Paterno, so we have to do the same with Boeheim......it just doesn't work like that. Any reasonable person should understand that.

I find both situations very similar, just at different stages at this point.

Syracuse = Penn St circa 2002. In both cases, an investigation went nowhere.

And just like I said with Paterno, I completely see where Boeheim is coming from in regards to backing his buddy. I never bought into the hollier than thou attitude of some, claiming they would immediately report a friend of 40 or 50 years to the police based on second hand information.

I am highly skeptical that Boeheim never heard that tape. I am highly skeptical that Boeheim was not aware that the kid was hanging around Fine and living with him. I am highly skeptical that Boeheim did not know Laurie Fine was a whore banging his players.

If Boeheim heard that tape at some point, how can people not be calling for his head at that point? How is that different from Paterno catching hearsay from the McQueary?

[Kuzzy Powers]

Anyway, from what it sounds like, Laurie Fine was sexually involved with a lot of players over the years so that sort of widespread thing might ultimately fall on Jimmy B.

[ralaw]

I find both situations very similar, just at different stages at this point.

Syracuse = Penn St circa 2002. In both cases, an investigation went nowhere.

The difference is that at Penn State it went no where, because the powers-that-be decided they didn’t want it to go anywhere…..its called a cover up. At Syracuse it didn’t go anywhere because after an investigation they (the school or newspaper) couldn’t find anyone to corroborate Davis’ claims.

And just like I said with Paterno, I completely see where Boeheim is coming from in regards to backing his buddy. I never bought into the hollier than thou attitude of some, claiming they would immediately report a friend of 40 or 50 years to the police based on second hand information.

The difference is that Paterno was told a child was being rapped in the locker room and he had prior knowledge of Sandusky doing shady things with kids in Penn State locker rooms. Boeheim, initially defended Fine, because he was going off of the 2002 investigation that turned up nothing. However, once more information came out he backed off those comments and apologized.

I am highly skeptical that Boeheim never heard that tape. I am highly skeptical that Boeheim was not aware that the kid was hanging around Fine and living with him. I am highly skeptical that Boeheim did not know Laurie Fine was a whore banging his players.

I find it odd you’re skeptical of Beoheim, yet wanted to hear Paterno’s side of the story before passing any judgment. I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew more than what he is letting on. If Fine’s wife was going these things I find it hard to believe he didn’t know, but maybe he was using it as a recruiting tool, Blacks on a Mature?

If Boeheim heard that tape at some point, how can people not be calling for his head at that point? How is that different from Paterno catching hearsay from the McQueary?

We don’t know if Boeheim heard that tape, but we do know Paterno was told by McQueary what he saw.

[Warner2BruceTD]

The thing is, I am not calling for Boeheim's ouster. I'm skeptical, just like I was with Paterno, but the difference here is that Boeheim is pretty cocky and outspoken about this while Paterno really hasn't said anything. I could only imagine the pure outrage had Paterno behaved in that manner. I find it inconsistent, but to be fair, I think some of it has to do with a "not this shit again" attitude among the press (aside from ESPN, it's a shockingly under reported story) and public, who are tired of the topic and spent a lot of energy slap slap slapping the old man around.

[ralaw]

The thing is, I am not calling for Boeheim's ouster. I'm skeptical, just like I was with Paterno, but the difference here is that Boeheim is pretty cocky and outspoken about this while Paterno really hasn't said anything. I could only imagine the pure outrage had Paterno behaved in that manner. I find it inconsistent, but to be fair, I think some of it has to do with a "not this shit again" attitude among the press (aside from ESPN, it's a shockingly under reported story) and public, who are tired of the topic and spent a lot of energy slap slap slapping the old man around.

Yeah, at this point Boeheim should do is best to stop talking about it, because he does come across as being very arrogant....even his last interview with his, "I've neve been concerned about my job". Soon people will get tired of that act and pounce on him.

[NAHSTE]

I think some of it has to do with a "not this shit again" attitude among the press (aside from ESPN, it's a shockingly under reported story)

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A good theory I've heard behind the timing of ESPN finally releasing this info after 8 years is that they wanted to make up for getting their ass kicked by CNN and others on the coverage of the Sandusky scandal.

[Chrispy]

Despite "credible" allegations, no charges will be filed against former Syracuse basketball coach Bernie Fine: http://on.cnn.com/vZJxnG

[EmpireWF]

That's what happens when 20-30 years go by.