JA Adande is dumb (Ron Artest's Elbow)

[FedEx227]

:leake:


Thank you Roger Goodell.

Much like steriods people are just overreacting to the head injuries thing. Its' an issue in football, hockey, etc, but not really in basketball.

The overreaction on the NFL and NHL's behalf is more of a response to the complete lack of reaction for the past 40-50 years.

And no shit, I know it's not an issue in basketball... until somebody elbows another guy in the temple.

[ralaw]

Artest should be suspended the rest of the season and playoffs. He fuckin elbowed the dude in the head, it wasn't inadvertent at all.

Overreact much?

This is what I'm talking about when I say people making it out to be somthing it wasn't. This is a story because of his history and nothing more.....guys have punched people and only got 10 games. Kevin Love stomps on a guys chest and gets 2 games. The public outcry and his history will probably make it a more severe suspension, but suspending him for the rest of the season and the playoffs is going overboard.

[FedEx227]

I don't think he should be the whole rest of the season and playoffs but it certainly should be a good handful of games, probably 5-6 games, especially given who we're talking about. It's not really fair to make him pay for past things but that's life.

[ralaw]

The overreaction on the NFL and NHL's behalf is more of a response to the complete lack of reaction for the past 40-50 years.

And no shit, I know it's not an issue in basketball... until somebody elbows another guy in the temple.

It's really not an issue in baskeball until former players start to sue the NBA....like they are going in the NFL.

[FirstTimer]

Overreact much?

This is what I'm talking about when I say people making it out to be somthing it wasn't. This is a story because of his history and nothing more.....guys have punched people and only got 10 games. Kevin Love stomps on a guys chest and gets 2 games. The public outcry and his history will probably make it a more severe suspension, but suspending him for the rest of the season an playoffs is going overboard.

With all due respect..you said the elbow was inadvertent and Harden simply "walked into it".

Taking a guys history into account is an obvious factor. Human nature dictates we treat repeat offenders more harshly on everything...so why are you seemingly acting shocked by this?

[FedEx227]

I'm not really understanding your point here.

I'm saying it's a bad look for a sports league to be okay with a guy elbowing another in the head. I don't care if the NBA isn't taking a hard stance on concussions at the moment, there's a growing concern and awareness thoughout all of sports about it.

[EmpireWF]

Artest deserves to miss at least the first round for that shit. No place in the sport for that kind of stuff.

[ralaw]

With all due respect..you said the elbow was inadvertent and Harden simply "walked into it".

Taking a guys history into account is an obvious factor. Human nature dictates we treat repeat offenders more harshly on everything...so why are you seemingly acting shocked by this?

I understand the history argument and agree with it, but I'm just surprised at people making it out to seem as if he went after Harden and targeted him. I really don't think he intentionally meant to hit Harden in the head.....I think he was just celebrating and given the fact that he is a very physcial player who has a few screws loose we get what happened. Given his history he should be suspended, but people wanting him to be suspended for the playoffs is a bit much.

[EmpireWF]

How is throwing a hard elbow celebrating?

He threw it with all his power directly at Harden's head. It was no mistake.

[FedEx227]

The back elbow makes no sense in the context of his actual celebration, so in a way it was partially intentional.

Did he finish the dunk and say "I'm going to elbow this guy in the side of the head"... of course not, but there's no reason he couldn't have ran into him and backed up and just moved on.

[ralaw]

I'm not really understanding your point here.

I'm saying it's a bad look for a sports league to be okay with a guy elbowing another in the head. I don't care if the NBA isn't taking a hard stance on concussions at the moment, there's a growing concern and awareness thoughout all of sports about it.

I understand that, but my point is that much like steriods head injuries in sports an overreaction. In football okay, in hockey, fine, but in basketball and other less physical sports it isn't as serious of an issue. I'm not saying the NBA should be okay with a guy elbowing another guy in the head and given the fact that a great deal of the public has prejudice views towards the NBA it has to be an issue.

[FedEx227]

I don't really think the head injuries is an overreaction though. It's a huge deal when a majority of players in a sport have degenerative brains. But that's not the topic here, that's for another time.

I'm not arguing anything about the grander scheme of NBA concussions just saying that in an era where people are hyper aware of concussion problems, turning the other cheek to a play cold-clocking another (and that player showing concussion symptoms during testing) is bad form.

[FirstTimer]

I understand the history argument and agree with it, but I'm just surprised at people making it out to seem as if he went after Harden and targeted him.I really don't think he intentionally meant to hit Harden in the head.....I think he was just celebrating and given the fact that he is a very physcial player who has a few screws loose we get what happened. Given his history he should be suspended, but people wanting him to be suspended for the playoffs is a bit much.

Disagree 1000000000000000000000% here.

[ralaw]

The back elbow makes no sense in the context of his actual celebration, so in a way it was partially intentional.

Did he finish the dunk and say "I'm going to elbow this guy in the side of the head"... of course not, but there's no reason he couldn't have ran into him and backed up and just moved on.

Lets not forget Artest is a guy who when a scuffle happens he comes running in to a group of guys and just starts pushing people...point being he is a physical dude. I just don't think he intentionally went after Harden's head......I'm sure he wanted to connect with something, but not necessarily Harden's head....pushing people, throwing elbows, etc is stuff that happens in the NBA. If it was Ibaka he would have hit him in the shoulder and this wouldn't be an issue.

[FirstTimer]

Lets not forget Artest is a guy who when a scuffle happens he comes running in to a group of guys and just starts pushing people...point being he is a physical dude. I just don't think he intentionally went after Harden's head......I'm sure he wanted to connect with something, but not necessarily Harden's head....pushing people, throwing elbows, etc is stuff that happens in the NBA. If it was Ibaka he would have hit him in the shoulder and this wouldn't be an issue.

It happens during actual basketball plays yes but elbows like this don't happen commonly. Hence why the NBA doesn't have concussion issues. Physical play =/= to what Artest did here.